Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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robi

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It's not Trump who is dangerous, (we know he's stupid), but his administration and advisers, including Mattew Pottinger, Peter Navarro, Mike Pompeo and others

In any case, the Biden administration will be less "hawk", it is not Trump vs Biden that we have to look at but rather the Trump administration vs Biden administration

And from what I saw, Biden's advisers are less "hawkish" than Trump's, almost all of Biden's advisers are from the Obama administration
And Biden would not know what day it is today without his wife telling him , he cant even remember what he is talking about at more than half of his press conferences ! An absolute moron who should leave China alone and worry about his third world country instead!
 

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China already is the super power closely followed by Russia ( and there actually allies ) America cant win a rooster fight on their own and should leave China alone !
You and I already know that the USA will not stop. So the only way to really stop this is to use the USA to the king of society collapse (won’t be long now with all the damage the USA has had in regards to the economy, infrastructure and pandemic crisis) and then surgically remove their battle capabilities one step at a time.
 

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The US sorta allows free speech until it "might" become action. They allow the free speech so they will have some evidence against you once you decide to do something dumb or plan on something dumb. People like to point at China, but the us system is very similar, it just gives you more rope to hang yourself with. Regardless of political affiliation, the police/federal forces will crush any attempts at overthrowing the govt or terroristic actions. The US won't collapse regardless of who gets elected, but there will just be more divisive politics, protests, and various media causing constant chaos. The US will just look dumber and dumber...
China is doing well and eliminating poverty and homeless people ( China worries about China ! ) so leave them alone and try to learn from them , the United States back yard has become 3rd world !
 

robi

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You and I already know that the USA will not stop. So the only way to really stop this is to use the USA to the king of society collapse (won’t be long now with all the damage the USA has had in regards to the economy, infrastructure and pandemic crisis) and then surgically remove their battle capabilities one step at a time.
they should worry about their own backyards they are becoming a 3rd world country. President Xi visits poor villages and within 3 weeks there is public transport to the village on an improved road , a medical centre with a full time DR as well as a school and small super market for supplies ( I have seen these actions with my own eyes ) dont worry about China just leave them alone !
 

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The US will never listen to any of its allies much less Duarte. Every NATO meeting was just the US telling everyone there "REMEMBER, YOU'RE ALL MY B*TCHES!". The fact that Australia, Canada, Uk, and Germany got thrown under the bus when they came to the US seeking help speaks much of themselves.
your absolutely 100% right ( Australia with it's 15 soldiers and lego weapons will certainly scare alot of country's !
 

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they should worry about their own backyards they are becoming a 3rd world country. President Xi visits poor villages and within 3 weeks there is public transport to the village on an improved road , a medical centre with a full time DR as well as a school and small super market for supplies ( I have seen these actions with my own eyes ) dont worry about China just leave them alone !
The beauty of the situation is that the USA could be given all the evidence as to how to do things right and they will still ignore it due to sheer hatred. Oh well, the consequences will make itself know shortly, I mean that building in miami wouldn’t be falling down if they did the correct maintenance and not do friggen missile test if the beaches of Florida which resulted in a needless earthquake and has definitely added in the fall of this building
 

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One of the best quotes in the world is by the Serbian military when they shot down the 3 stealth fighters in Serbia ( US say it was only 1 but there are 3 on display at the Serbian museum as you leave the airport to go to the city they are propped up on the left hand side ) the quote goes " sorry no one told us they were invisible " hahaha classic !!!!
 

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The US will prefer a China contest to the forever wars​

Great-power politics suits America more than nation building
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Washington has no cannier lobbying firm than the Pentagon. As such, the war games that predict a US rout by China should be taken with more salt than currently exists in all the world’s mines. Each lurid simulation of defeat is a tacit argument for more funding.

That caveat applied, even a successful Pacific war could cost more US lives than the 2,352 lost over two decades in Afghanistan. Raw scale is not the only sense in which China is a more daunting test than the forever wars. Neither al-Qaeda nor the Taliban challenged the US as a world power. Their mode of government never seduced third countries as a formula for growth and order. In turning from the “greater Middle East” to China, the US turns from a vicious but containable adversary to a historically awesome one.

It is right, all the same, to relish the change. There is something pro forma about Republican attacks on President Joe Biden over his exit from Afghanistan. As both parties know, the US is entering an era that plays far more to its technical strengths and psychic needs than the one it is sheepishly winding down.

America’s knack for great-power politics is as consistent as its fumbles against insurgencies. The fledging republic saw off British menaces, kept Europe out of its civil war, beat Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany before nursing both to pacifist democracy and waged a cold war of immense craft and patience against the Soviet Union. US failures, whether in south-east Asia, the Middle East or the Horn of Africa, have come mostly against non-sovereign enemies in irregular conflicts.

Some of this is the innate difficulty of counter-insurgency. The rest is America’s weird history as a superpower. Having had few colonies in the formal sense — Cuba and the Philippines are among the exceptions — the nation’s political, military and even journalistic elites tend to view conflict as that which takes place between states. (Blaming the fiasco of the Iraq occupation on Iran’s meddling stems from this cast of mind.)

And so an era of non-state enemies was always going to be awkward for the US. A superpower tussle is a beguiling return to the familiar. Washington’s enthusiasm for the China contest is not just a clear-eyed recognition of a real opponent. It is the relief of a governing class finding its métier again.

The change goes beyond the conceptual to the guts and grease of US power. For a generation, the Pentagon has planned for two regional (that is, Afghan-sized) wars at the same time. In 2018, its doctrine changed to fight one war for the very highest stakes.

The new posture should go better, which is to say it cannot go worse. Heroic financial and intellectual resources went into refitting history’s mightiest armed forces for the nimbler work of the terror age. To deride it all is frivolous: we cannot know how much worse the Afghan war might have been without the reforms. Still, after a generation in that country, the reality is an ascendant Taliban. Biden himself despaired of the war as far back as 2009, when he opposed Barack Obama’s troop surge.

Occupation has forced the US to live in a half-world of ambiguous goals and shifting enemies, some of whom are easier to co-opt than explicitly defeat. Great-power strategy will be a kind of liberation.

If it were just the technical challenge of China that the US will prefer, this would only be cheer for admirals and generals. What really sets the new era over the old one is its potential for some semblance of domestic unity.

Entry into the second world war helped to bind the fractious America of the interwar years. Soviet Russia did the same: when it fell, so did what bipartisanship there was in Washington. (The last unanimous confirmation of a Supreme Court justice was in 1988.) The age of terror came nowhere close as a national adhesive.

What stands out about the US ordeal in Afghanistan is not the death toll, which roughly equals the attack on Pearl Harbor. It is not even the duration. The Korean war never legally ended, remember, and the US still garrisons that peninsula by the tens of thousands.

No, the grim distinction of the past 20 years is the collapse of the national cohesion after 9/11. For all its heinous violence, terrorism was too diffuse a threat to give Americans that sense of besieged togetherness that past eras conferred. A conventional superpower, with four times their population, just might. A nation that has often defined its identity against an Other was never going to find it in Afghanistan.
 
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