Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

Bigboii said:

India, Taiwan, Japan, SK, US, Australia if you manage to create a NATO (easier said than done especially in Asia) that's a mean group of allies to counter any big power

not to forget if you give carrots/stick to small countries of South east Asia (stick being sanctions, threatening the visas of workers in case Philippines, debt bullying (to smaller countries suffering from debt issues) through IMF,WB etc, etc (a superpower of decades has more sticks than one can envision), carrots of trade agreements (as US is still a lifechanging market for countries to have access to especially smaller countries), infrastructure building, easier terms through the existing global financials systems like IMF, WB etc, EU preferential trade agreements

A concentrated effort in SEA, EA can potentially hold the door

Despite whatever front Russians put they wont like any foreign power even looking at central Asia but they realize working with China is way more beneficial than working against it but if US can somehow lift sanctions, leave Russia to its fate, ask Europe to cooperate

Maybe just maybe they wont be to hot to work with China as they are right now knowing its the only way left to counter the existing power structure that is actively against Russian interests/Putin

but tbf I think its more of a gamble than sure fire strategy like in Asia

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All of what you listed and what the current Biden administration's China strategy would have been more than possible and doable a decade ago when China's relative strength and determination given their current geopolitical reality isn't what it is today. The U.S. should and could have joined in the AIB but decided against it for all the wrong reasons and looking back the person (Ryan Hass) at the NSC responsible for the China policy during the Obama administration belatedly admitted that it was a mistake that If given the chance they (the U.S.) would readily sign up to. But because your country's political system is so fractious and chaotic they could only focus on the T.P.P. as a tool to be used against China but unfortunately for your country, creating that trade deal or any trade deal for that matter will be dead on arrival in Congress since most American people because of their extreme glibness are really convinced that China gained millions upon millions of jobs due to unfair trade deals signed by preceding administrations. When every single Economist worth their salt say otherwise but since most if not all American politicians are all cowards and afraid of telling the truth to your fellow countrymen, they instead helped perpetuate this lie and notion that trade deals are bad and that China took their lunch not realizing that because of the trade with China American buying power has increased compared to where they were 30 years prior (trade deal) since the value of your dollar can buy more goods and services than ever before. So instead of your country's dumb dumb self serving politicians from all political spectrum finding meaningful ways and real economic plan/strategy to address the affected groups of workers in manufacturing sectors they chose to pander, lie, and then used China as the raison d'etre for the economic malaise. It's always easier and more convenient to blame the Yellow people because they're one of the least understood country and culture within the American and western population. Why come up with an actual plan when that's difficult time consuming, hard to do when it's far easier to blame the others, this time it's the red commies of China.

Bigboii said:

India, Taiwan, Japan, SK, US, Australia if you manage to create a NATO (easier said than done especially in Asia) that's a mean group of allies to counter any big power

not to forget if you give carrots/stick to small countries of South east Asia (stick being sanctions, threatening the visas of workers in case Philippines, debt bullying (to smaller countries suffering from debt issues) through IMF,WB etc, etc (a superpower of decades has more sticks than one can envision), carrots of trade agreements (as US is still a lifechanging market for countries to have access to especially smaller countries), infrastructure building, easier terms through the existing global financials systems like IMF, WB etc, EU preferential trade agreements

A concentrated effort in SEA, EA can potentially hold the door

Despite whatever front Russians put they wont like any foreign power even looking at central Asia but they realize working with China is way more beneficial than working against it but if US can somehow lift sanctions, leave Russia to its fate, ask Europe to cooperate

Maybe just maybe they wont be to hot to work with China as they are right now knowing its the only way left to counter the existing power structure that is actively against Russian interests/Putin

but tbf I think its more of a gamble than sure fire strategy like in Asia

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"India, Taiwan, Japan, SK, US, Australia if you manage to create a NATO (easier said than done especially in Asia) that's a mean group of allies to counter any big power"

ASEAN countries which is the largest trading partner of China will have a say in this regard and most of them have privately expressed to the U.S. not to force them to select between the U.S. and China because at the end of the day despite the flowery rhetoric your country gives every now and then the U.S. is thousands miles away from the ASEAN region whereas China is in their region as one of their closest neighbour geographically and also home to the largest Chinese diaspora in the world. So am sorry to say that this plan sounds ethereal only to western folks who really don't have a full appreciation of the regions history, cultural ties, and the power of China's economy and it's economic sway in the region. With all due respect to Australia they are a tiny market who's economy relies on exporting their raw materials that are geared towards developing economies not "developed" economies like Japan, South Korea, Europe and America. Who the hell is going to buy their shit at premium prices?

voyager1 said:

She is so annoying

"Why you cant change his behaviour"
She thinks that Putin is some kind of servant or slave of Biden and that he can just order him on what to do. Newsflash, Russia is not Japan.

Good for Biden telling her to shut up. This is a adults business for geopolitics and not for "human rights" lol

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@voyager1 bro looks to me it was staged, why apologized, you're the POTUS, the way I see it they wanted to portray Biden had all his physical and mental capacity working properly after an embarrassing and bumbling press conference (both in G7 and Putin summit). Bro its a scripted written by some Hollywood script writer. And CNN is a willing participant if Trump did that you bet your horses (not you bro..lol) he will be demonized as a dictator. Everything being done in Washington is all for show, no substance, its WOKE politics being played right now.

ansy1968 said:

@voyager1 Everything being done in Washington is all for show, no substance, its WOKE politics being played right now.

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Yeah brother, the world is just too different now.

The Americans routinely appear to have lost minds.

One day they seem normal. The next day, it is just nutz.

Trump: "China pays the tariff!"

Biden: "Trump is my spiritual leader and we will follow him. Time to ban Huawei again."

I am waiting to see if Biden Administration is prepared to give up Ukraine's sovereignty in order to get Russian onboard to counterbalance China. It would be a Nixon in reverse. The risk of such counterbalancing could be for many NATO countries to question the very existence of the trans-Atlantic alliance.

SpicySichuan said:

I am waiting to see if Biden Administration is prepared to give up Ukraine's sovereignty in order to get Russian onboard to counterbalance China. It would be a Nixon in reverse. The risk of such counterbalancing could be for many NATO countries to question the very existence of the trans-Atlantic alliance.

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Who told you that Russia cares so much about Ukraine?

They already got Crimea. And if Ukraine decides to join NATO/EU etc, then they can just restart the "frozen" conflict in Eastern Ukraine. If all that fails then it can just invade it.
We already saw Russia getting ready to do that in April when Ukraine (+ West) got too smart for its own good.

Russia has a myriad of reasons for getting closer to China. Talk about "turning against China" is straight up wishful talk from the US

SpicySichuan said:

I am waiting to see if Biden Administration is prepared to give up Ukraine's sovereignty in order to get Russian onboard to counterbalance China. It would be a Nixon in reverse. The risk of such counterbalancing could be for many NATO countries to question the very existence of the trans-Atlantic alliance.

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That would force China to make a move on Taiwan and then Mongolia.

SpicySichuan said:

I am waiting to see if Biden Administration is prepared to give up Ukraine's sovereignty in order to get Russian onboard to counterbalance China. It would be a Nixon in reverse. The risk of such counterbalancing could be for many NATO countries to question the very existence of the trans-Atlantic alliance.

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So in order for russia to be permitted to absorb ukraine, she has to make China an enemy?
That would make russia economy a basket case overnight, no one in kremlin is willing to pay a price that steep, ukraine is not worth it
Now if biden prepared to give up the baltic states such as lithuania, estonia and latvia or all ex soviet countries in nato, thus restoring the soviet union under russia once more, that might be worth the price and putin might be tempted lol

SpicySichuan said:

I am waiting to see if Biden Administration is prepared to give up Ukraine's sovereignty in order to get Russian onboard to counterbalance China. It would be a Nixon in reverse. The risk of such counterbalancing could be for many NATO countries to question the very existence of the trans-Atlantic alliance.

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It is rather clear that the Americans do not have a strategy for China.

But, before that, and all the stuff with President Trump, there was Russia.

The Americans did not have an effective policy towards Russia. Under Obama, it was Hilary always talking about a "re-set" in US-Russia relations. They are still talking about a "re-set" to US-Russia relations.

That means the United States does not have a strategy for China, and the United States does not have a strategy for Russia either.

This is not too surprising.

As for China, very few in the west understand it, therefore they miss the mark because everything they think about China is wrong.

As for Russia, the four people negotiating the peace deal to the previous war in the Donbass, there was no United States representative.

For different reasons, we have the same conclusion, no strategy.

No strategy means someone probably will be outmaneuvered.

Another example of buying Western costs too much so they can't do it.