Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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KYli

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A few years ago, these people were above the law. Most police would not arrest them. Even if they got arrested, they would get released very soon. If not released immediately, friends and relatives would surround the police station. The most that the police can do is just deported them back to Xinjiang. That's why the Western media and Chinese liberals are digging their own grave by sympathetic to them and critical of the Chinese government. Even though we all know, the Western nations and media just want to destabilize China by supporting these people. Most Chinese even including other minorities feel very strongly against this kind of hypocrite.
 

OppositeDay

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They were thieves and thugs. I personally witness two incidents of them in action
Some of them were. Other Uyghurs were just outraged by the thefts and scams as you were. The whole situation was a result of poverty, the "two less one lenient" policy, and also the asinine education policy that sysmatically deprived a lot of Uyghurs of the opportunity to learn Mandarin (and upward social mobility that comes with it). Let's not act as if the Chinese government and the Han society were all innocent in this.
 

KYli

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Some of them were. Other Uyghurs were just outraged by the thefts and scams as you were. The whole situation was a result of poverty, the "two less one lenient" policy, and also the asinine education policy that sysmatically deprived a lot of Uyghurs of the opportunity to learn Mandarin (and upward social mobility that comes with it). Let's not act as if the Chinese government and the Han society were all innocent in this.
It isn't that simple. Many of the documentaries show that many people especially the very poor ones refused to make any changes even though those changes can be greatly beneficial to them. Recent inner Mongolia protests for using Mandarin for some curriculum indicates how difficult this is.
 

SilentObserver

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Poverty has alot to do with this. Uyghurs are the least urbanized ethnic group in China, at least this was the statistic from a few years ago and has one of the lowest average education levels. Overall urbanization positively correlates with higher education, for example ethnic Koreans in China are the most urbanized and has the highest rate of post secondary education.

Unflattering stereotypes also applied to poor Han people like how Henan people were unfairly categorized as scammers and man hole cover thieves. It's not representative of the broader population.
 

vincent

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A few years ago, these people were above the law. Most police would not arrest them. Even if they got arrested, they would get released very soon. If not released immediately, friends and relatives would surround the police station. The most that the police can do is just deported them back to Xinjiang. That's why the Western media and Chinese liberals are digging their own grave by sympathetic to them and critical of the Chinese government. Even though we all know, the Western nations and media just want to destabilize China by supporting these people. Most Chinese even including other minorities feel very strongly against this kind of hypocrite.
Yup. That's what I heard too when I was in Shanghai. Because of the need for "racial harmony", cops wouldn't do a thing. An old dude was knifed to death not too far from where I live and rumour said he was killed because he stopped Uighur thieves in his neighbourhood.
 

Reclaimer

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WHO and its team never buys into the lab conspiracy theories. On the other hand, the UN human rights group has already declared China committed Human rights violation in Xinjiang. U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet has been hostile. That's why it is very important whoever got invited need to be an appearance of objective. Otherwise, it would backfire badly upon China.
Yes it could backfire but the alternative is Western media is slowly trying to paint the situation like the Holocaust 2.0, which is obviously total bullshit.

And even if we can't change the opinion of Western people on China, you have to face the reality that Western media has influence on many people who aren't necessarily anti-China.

But China has already offered an invitation to the UN to visit Xinjiang, so let's see where that leads. Some lunatics are already trying to discredit a possible upcoming investigation.
 

KYli

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Yes it could backfire but the alternative is Western media is slowly trying to paint the situation like the Holocaust 2.0, which is obviously total bullshit.

And even if we can't change the opinion of Western people on China, you have to face the reality that Western media has influence on many people who aren't necessarily anti-China.

But China has already offered an invitation to the UN to visit Xinjiang, so let's see where that leads. Some lunatics are already trying to discredit a possible upcoming investigation.

I wouldn't give a damn about what Westerners think about China. It is irrelevant. Most Westerners even those who are not hostile to China could be easily manipulated to hate China. The Chinese government thinking of win/win and Chinese people thinking of peace rise are obsoleted. Russians have given up changing the thinking of Westerners. Instead it has been focused upon misinformation by fighting fire with fire and sowing division within the Western society. Chinese way of explaining and appeasing is not going to make any difference. Winning hearts and minds should be focused upon Muslims, Africans, ASEAN, and some Latin Americans.
 
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