Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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AssassinsMace

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I think the diabolical trump/gop/aussie/uk are trying to get muslim terrorist to attack east asians. It always has been Trumps game plan to cause direct pain to random joe of any non whites
Yes, that's the difference why the West can accuse human rights violations on China because it's the government doing it. In the West they can manipulate their population where civilians to do their dirty work. It's something less called civil rights violations.
 

quantumlight

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It's time to play the rare earth card.
Even that won't be enough.... rare earth are much more fungible than microprocessors and their supply chains, such as EUV machines, the lens and mirrors, etc etc

Bottom line is America can up the rare earth supply it is just a matter of costs or of strong arming one of their vassals to share their supply... no way to track it...

Whereas who can China strongarm to get chips when even TSMC off the Taiwan island right next to China is refusing to sell chips to China? China cannot just pump more money to get more chips, doesn't work that way. Not in the short or medium term.

When US finally does play this card, its time for the Chinese civil war to officially come to an end if you catch my drift. Sure, do the rare earth bans, but that's not enough. China needs to take back what is rightfully China's... I'm not talking about Hong Kong.
 

localizer

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Even that won't be enough.... rare earth are much more fungible than microprocessors and their supply chains, such as EUV machines, the lens and mirrors, etc etc

Bottom line is America can up the rare earth supply it is just a matter of costs or of strong arming one of their vassals to share their supply... no way to track it...

Whereas who can China strongarm to get chips when even TSMC off the Taiwan island right next to China is refusing to sell chips to China? China cannot just pump more money to get more chips, doesn't work that way.

When US finally does play this card, its time for the Chinese civil war to official come to an end if you catch my drift. Sure do the rare earth, but that's not enough. China needs to take back what is rightfully China's... I'm not talking about Hong Kong.
Take back that and more :cool:. Might as well just do everything at once.
 

j17wang

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It's time to play the rare earth card.

There is no rare earth card to play. Its about providing all countries, especially the 3rd world with the resources necessary for their own development, by redistributing resources away from monopolist countries. Also, could certainly be more supportive of liberation/freedom movements in occupied north america.
 

KYli

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A U.S. strategy paper on China draws a tepid response in Beijing
  • The Longer Telegram” released in late January laid out a detailed proposal for how the new U.S. administration should deal with a rising China under its Communist Party government.
  • The anonymous author is a “former senior U.S. government official,” according to the D.C.-based think tank Atlantic Council that published the lengthy paper.
  • So far in Beijing, major Chinese state media have not discussed the paper much, while the foreign ministry said such comments against the ruling Communist Party were “a collection of rumors and conspiracy theories
BEIJING — A recent U.S. strategy paper on China that’s widely read in Washington, D.C., has drawn only a passing response in Beijing where limited public discussion has focused on one point: The author got China wrong.

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proposed how the new U.S. administration should deal with a rising China by laying out a detailed critique of the Communist Party government under President
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An effective U.S. approach on China requires the “same disciplined approach it applied to the defeat of the Soviet Union,” the paper said. “US strategy must remain laser focused on Xi, his inner circle, and the Chinese political context in which they rule.”

The anonymous author is a “former senior U.S. government official,” according to the
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that published the lengthy paper.

The piece attempts to echo a historic document that shaped Washington’s policy on the Soviet Union — named the “The Long Telegram,” it was sent from Moscow in February 1946 at the dawn of the Cold War.

So far in Beijing, major state media have not discussed the paper much, except for the vociferous state-backed tabloid Global Times, and even then, almost entirely in English.
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read the title of one op-ed.

On the
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, an article in Chinese portrayed the strategy piece as holding an outdated mentality, and contrasted its view of the country with a recent
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ability to rise from poverty.

China’s foreign ministry — in response to a question from a Global Times reporter — criticized “The Longer Telegram” for its call to contain China.
The ministry said, according to an official translation, that such comments against the ruling Communist Party were “a collection of rumors and conspiracy theories” and attempts to drive U.S.-China relations toward conflict would result in “total failure.”

The sparse state-level comments come as tensions brew between the U.S. and China, the world’s two largest economies and run by vastly different government systems.

“The Longer Telegram” generated much controversy in the U.S. foreign policy world, with critics saying the paper mischaracterizes China and puts too much emphasis on the role of Xi. But many agree with the paper’s call for a more thought-out U.S. policy on China.
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That growing cohesion around a tougher U.S. stance on China is a source of concern in Beijing.

“The Longer Telegram” doesn’t represent China’s reality and isn’t a good starting point for dialogue, said Shen Yamei, deputy director and associate research fellow at state-backed think tank China Institute of International Studies’ U.S. department.

According to Shen, the mistake the paper makes is that it isn’t applicable in this situation, since China didn’t say it wanted to replace the U.S. She added that it’s the U.S. that cares about whether it will lose its central position in the world.

Critics say China’s state-dominated system benefited from being allowed to join the World Trade Organization in 2001 without rapidly incorporating the sort of free-market and rules-based system that countries like the U.S. have advocated.

A history of the long telegram​

To counter these developments, “The Longer Telegram” says the U.S. should set clear red lines and points of national security for Beijing that, if crossed, would induce a firm U.S. response.

Some of these red lines include a Chinese military attack or economic blockade on Taiwan, according to the report, which also said the U.S. should push back more firmly on any Chinese threats to U.S. global communications systems.

The author of the original “Long Telegram” in 1946 was American diplomat George Kennan, who
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and in 1952 began a brief term as U.S. ambassador to Moscow.

In his paper, Kennan held that the Russians were set on expanding the Soviet system worldwide and against coexistence with the West. He believed that rather than appeasement, the U.S. should use pressure to achieve cooperation
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For more than 70 years — including the Soviet Union’s disintegration in 1991 — the U.S. led a so-called liberal world order in which international institutions set rules for a global system.

That’s begun to shift in the last decade or so, with China’s growing economic and technological clout, alongside former U.S. President Donald Trump’s single-handed approach to foreign policy.

The online response​

It’s not yet clear what action President
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will take, but he is sticking to a tough stance on China, albeit with a calmer tone than the previous administration.

“The challenges with Russia may be different than ones with China, but they’re just as real,”
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Biden held his first phone call as president with Xi earlier this month. The U.S. president and first lady also issued a video greeting for the Lunar New Year, which was shared widely on Chinese social media.

Scattered online commentary about “The Longer Telegram” have remained dismissive.

In a roughly 30-minute video from Feb. 5 that has more than 900,000 views, Fudan University professor Shen Yi
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An online article from Feb. 7 by Zhongnan University of Economics and Law professor Qiao Xinsheng said in an online article the strategy
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and that the U.S. should not expect China to “disintegrate.”
 

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I looked at some of the videos released by China to combat the Uighur allegations and I must say that the propaganda department really is its own enemy. You basically have short (and obviously scripted) excerpts of Uighurs showing off their new houses, cars, restaurants whilst insulting Mike Pompeo. Every single one of them ends with something along the lines of I’m proud of my great country of China. Who comes up with this? Haven’t had this much cringe since I watched Kayne West insult Taylor Swift at the Grammys.

The correct approach would be something like this.


Don’t just focus on the big new houses and flashy cities. Show the alleys and less touristy stuff and organic interactions with the natives. You can tell that many of the guys in this video (a whole series of videos, actually) are indifferent or even camera shy, but that’s how people actually behave! The delicious food also serve as a good attention grabber so that people check them out.

The end game would be cultivating a Uighur Li Ziqi, but if the Chinese government try their hand at it it will fail for certain. They always try too hard and in the wrong direction.
 

localizer

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I looked at some of the videos released by China to combat the Uighur allegations and I must say that the propaganda department really is its own enemy. You basically have short (and obviously scripted) excerpts of Uighurs showing off their new houses, cars, restaurants whilst insulting Mike Pompeo. Every single one of them ends with something along the lines of I’m proud of my great country of China. Who comes up with this? Haven’t had this much cringe since I watched Kayne West insult Taylor Swift at the Grammys.

The correct approach would be something like this.


Don’t just focus on the big new houses and flashy cities. Show the alleys and less touristy stuff and organic interactions with the natives. You can tell that many of the guys in this video (a whole series of videos, actually) are indifferent or even camera shy, but that’s how people actually behave! The delicious food also serve as a good attention grabber so that people check them out.

The end game would be cultivating a Uighur Li Ziqi, but if the Chinese government try their hand at it it will fail for certain. They always try too hard and in the wrong direction.
They could just let loose the CHinese troll army on US social media.

Show them the real wumao terror.
 
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