Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy


quantumlight

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Technology will def help. But to bring it back to topic, it’s in US’ own selfish interest to cooperate with China on Global Warming. A warming planet helps Russia much more than the US.
Well artic geopolitics already coming into play...

China should cut of India river water supply since India is now counting on Kamala to help it destroy China

Do you think Russia will let China have Mongolia

 

emblem21

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I always said that do not expect relations to improve under Biden. He’s not going to roll back most of Trump’s action against China.

The areas China and US are competing with are not negotiable.

Climate change is the exception. But even here the US is looking out for its own interests. A warming world hurts America and strengthens Russia as vast swathes of land in Siberia is opened up for Russian developments. Russia food production and GDP increases 5x by 2080 as the world warms; making Russia a superpower!
Since the USA still is looking for ways to harm other nations, whether under Trump or Biden, will never learn its lesson in regards to stop trying to create conflict, it’s pretty obvious that the nation hasn’t suffered enough (the wealth elites and government members in particular) so when another big disaster inevitably happens and finally hits these people properly for once, instead of sympathy, I believe annoyance and laughter would be in order instead
 

Petrolicious88

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Well artic geopolitics already coming into play...

China should cut of India river water supply since India is now counting on Kamala to help it destroy China

Do you think Russia will let China have Mongolia

No. Not Mongolia. Not parts of Siberia
Russian and Chinese are partners out of convenience only. Russia has always been weary of mass Chinese migrants rushing into its border in the Far East.

It does not want too much Chinese migrants. But it has no choice. China has the manpower and the investment capital to help Russia develop Siberia as permafrost thaws.

China gets to import more natural resources. Russia gets to keep all infrastructure in that region which can’t develop without China.
 

bajingan

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Right.. guys of course nothing gonna change... both China and America are in the fight of their lifetime... and everything else is trivial lip service compared to the bigger picture...

My dad just got canned yesterday (ironic date) but he was already gonna retire in a few more months anyway... He did R&D for a US Fortune 100 and been with the same company nearly 25 years.... they disabled his badge while he went out for lunch and didnt tell him whats going on, then he got a security guard from the other entrance escort him in office/lab after getting locked out after lunch then he finds out his laptop was gone and thought it was lost/stolen only then to be ushered into HR director office asked to sign psperwork in exchange for a severance and they walked him out immediately like he was a criminal after nearly 3 decades of service...

I hate to say this obvious thing but ethnic Chinese in America are going to get the shaft from the US China cold war...

Lots of my Chinese friends are still naive and think Biden is going to return us back to normal, I try to tell them about US 5th Gen war and potus is just PR but they dont get it...

If you are Chinese ethnicity in America, citizenship or not, and you in STEM, r&d, IT, fintech, etc you are screwed... get ready to get shafted by Uncle Sam

This will accelerate american brain drain, China will greatly benefits from this, Its obvious at this point any Chinese working in stem must be thinking long and hard about getting out of the us
Its inevitable we will get the same treatment as japanese american during ww2
 

steel21

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This is gonna be the greatest fight of the century, and will last well after we are dead and likely stretch into the 22nd century. Any potential improvements under Biden (which I doubt) would be quickly undone by the next administration and the general power clash between peer western and non-western nations.

A cold war is not all that bad though, it forces all countries involved to devote ever more resources into R&D and industrial developments. Our lives would not be as comfortable nor would we have an understanding of the world and science that we do had it not been for the advances made in WWII and the subsequent cold war.

For one, we will likely see an acceleration to towards the roboticization of all aspects of Chinese life and society by 2030.
No, it won't last that long.

The strain of exceptionalism has a way of puffing up the mediocre and crashing down on the unfortunate.

For a great majority of Americans raised on exceptionalism and enjoying the bounty of our exorbitant privilege (the US Dollar), the realization that we are not that exceptional and that they can neither afford their current purchasing power and compete perpetually with the Asian will be debilitating.

Here is how I think the timeline would unfold:

2023 -2028: China unload a shitload of tech they have been working on since 2017, and funded by the outbound capital during this pandemic. Thing like 14-7nm SC, Augmented Reality, Level 4 automated EV enabled by off board 5G networks, 5G NSA, C929.

2025: China reaches nominal GDP parity with US, continues to push their tech due to their unique economy of scale. So they will attract equally if not better talent with higher pay, while dishing out goods at better quality/performance with lower prices.

2025 - 2030: US undergoes a revenue crisis as T-bill attracts less and less foreign buyers. this will force the government into either accepting higher inflation as it pumps more dollars into the system or adopt austerity measures.

-------Aftermath -----------------------

2030 - 2035: US Military will shrink from its current footprint as remaining discretionary budget is steered toward social programs to maintain the voter base. There will be social unrest as USD has less and less purchasing power. US will attract less and less foreign talents, with the exception of Indians.


By the way the politics are looking, there will be no unified national effort to step up to the plate. The religious fundamentalist will claim that all of this is a result of god's wrath due to our transgender policies and such.

There will also be more discrimination towards Asian. The loss of what some sees as their birthright prosperity and the loss of their loved ones during the pandemic might trigger random acts of violence towards isolated Asians.

The reduced safety net, decrease in military projection and capability and anger towards foreigners will induce a reduction in talent and ultimately innovation.

What will remain is flourishing entertainment industry, NFL/WWE Sports, music empowered by the friction between cultures.

UK (or should I say Wales, in case N.Ireland and Scotland departs for EU) of today is the US of tomorrow. Save for the elite few who works in "The City" and London, most Brits are worse off than they were in the 1950-60s.

The difference is that the Brit were never as religious as Americans, and far more compliant towards their classed elites. This is the unpredictable sprinkle in the national psyche, which could only make the transition more difficult to render.

US has been a melting pot and a beacon mostly because of its prosperity, enabled by its oceans of security and natural abundance. This prosperity has been the bedrock of our country since its founding. Tensions and frictions where brushed over by expansions and industrialization. US has been the leading economy since 1890!

For the Chinese to be on top for at least the remainder of 21st century will be an unprecedented shock this country has never endured. It would take a leader on the scale of Deng (with a 15-20 year term) to restructure the nation and pull it forward, with some drastic changes to the constitution.

For example, this whole states rights mess has been hugely handicap and a source o inefficiency. To successfully compete with China of the future, we might need to radically coalesce resources to muster the convergence to challenge the Chinese.

In a austere environment, will we have the fortitude to sacrifice our own and local resources for the national good? Do we trust the political and elites enough to enable a constitutional restructuring, to adopt a more efficient and technological evolve union?

Likely NO.
 

quantumlight

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No, it won't last that long.

The strain of exceptionalism has a way of puffing up the mediocre and crashing down on the unfortunate.

For a great majority of Americans raised on exceptionalism and enjoying the bounty of our exorbitant privilege (the US Dollar), the realization that we are not that exceptional and that they can neither afford their current purchasing power and compete perpetually with the Asian will be debilitating.

Here is how I think the timeline would unfold:

2023 -2028: China unload a shitload of tech they have been working on since 2017, and funded by the outbound capital during this pandemic. Thing like 14-7nm SC, Augmented Reality, Level 4 automated EV enabled by off board 5G networks, 5G NSA, C929.

2025: China reaches nominal GDP parity with US, continues to push their tech due to their unique economy of scale. So they will attract equally if not better talent with higher pay, while dishing out goods at better quality/performance with lower prices.

2025 - 2030: US undergoes a revenue crisis as T-bill attracts less and less foreign buyers. this will force the government into either accepting higher inflation as it pumps more dollars into the system or adopt austerity measures.

-------Aftermath -----------------------

2030 - 2035: US Military will shrink from its current footprint as remaining discretionary budget is steered toward social programs to maintain the voter base. There will be social unrest as USD has less and less purchasing power. US will attract less and less foreign talents, with the exception of Indians.


By the way the politics are looking, there will be no unified national effort to step up to the plate. The religious fundamentalist will claim that all of this is a result of god's wrath due to our transgender policies and such.

There will also be more discrimination towards Asian. The loss of what some sees as their birthright prosperity and the loss of their loved ones during the pandemic might trigger random acts of violence towards isolated Asians.

The reduced safety net, decrease in military projection and capability and anger towards foreigners will induce a reduction in talent and ultimately innovation.

What will remain is flourishing entertainment industry, NFL/WWE Sports, music empowered by the friction between cultures.

UK (or should I say Wales, in case N.Ireland and Scotland departs for EU) of today is the US of tomorrow. Save for the elite few who works in "The City" and London, most Brits are worse off than they were in the 1950-60s.

The difference is that the Brit were never as religious as Americans, and far more compliant towards their classed elites. This is the unpredictable sprinkle in the national psyche, which could only make the transition more difficult to render.

US has been a melting pot and a beacon mostly because of its prosperity, enabled by its oceans of security and natural abundance. This prosperity has been the bedrock of our country since its founding. Tensions and frictions where brushed over by expansions and industrialization. US has been the leading economy since 1890!

For the Chinese to be on top for at least the remainder of 21st century will be an unprecedented shock this country has never endured. It would take a leader on the scale of Deng (with a 15-20 year term) to restructure the nation and pull it forward, with some drastic changes to the constitution.

For example, this whole states rights mess has been hugely handicap and a source o inefficiency. To successfully compete with China of the future, we might need to radically coalesce resources to muster the convergence to challenge the Chinese.

In a austere environment, will we have the fortitude to sacrifice our own and local resources for the national good? Do we trust the political and elites enough to enable a constitutional restructuring, to adopt a more efficient and technological evolve union?

Likely NO.

This is like reading Chinese version of a Tom Clancy novel...

I gotta make sure I dont let the euphoria last longer than 4 hours or gotta see a doctor lmao
 

steel21

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This is like reading Chinese version of a Tom Clancy novel...

I gotta make sure I dont let the euphoria last longer than 4 hours or gotta see a doctor lmao
Euphoria or not, I think it's a probably a rational and probable projection.

If you have a divergent timeline or outlook, let hear it and perhaps we can dial it in tighter?!
 

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