Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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Phead128

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I read from a Politico insider that the top Biden pick for Treasury Secretary is
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, a McKinsey executive who helped China enter the WTO and help push forward NAFTA and other outsourcing deals, and consistently advocated against labelling China as currency manipulator.

ZING, GOOD BYE TARIFFS!!

On the flip side, Biden's top picks for Secretary of Defense is a hawk, Michele Flournoy he is the guy who talked Obama into intervening in Libya, which is now a failed state. So China can't rest easy militarily.

So basically expect still military tensions, but economically, we are abandoning the failed trade war strategy.
 

caudaceus

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I read from a Politico insider that the top Biden pick for Treasury Secretary is
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, a McKinsey executive who helped China enter the WTO and help push forward NAFTA and other outsourcing deals, and consistently advocated against labelling China as currency manipulator.

ZING, GOOD BYE TARIFFS!!

On the flip side, Biden's top picks for Secretary of Defense is a hawk, Michele Flournoy he is the guy who talked Obama into intervening in Libya, which is now a failed state. So China can't rest easy militarily.

So basically expect still military tensions, but economically, we are abandoning the failed trade war strategy.
Michele Flournoy might be hawkish but pretty sure she understood that Nuclear state (read : China and NK) ain't pushover.
Read her interview
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Actually what I hope is that the next admin will be level headed instead of delusional like Pompeo.
 

bajingan

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I find the whole situation is truly amusing, trump admin was the most anti China in history and before covid trump was almost guaranteed to win, now after covid he is as good as gone, to me its seems like China pulled a regime change on the us how the mighty has fallen
Don't fight them where they are strong fight them where they are weak, Sun Tzu must be so proud right now lol
 

Phead128

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Seriously, it boggles my mind how Americans can still support Trump!
This is a very simple explanation.

It's called the "
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" or "Crazification factor", which means in any society, there is a guaranteed ~27% of population is batshit crazy people. How a society deals with this crazy minority determines whether you get a stable and prosperous country or a failed state.

The origin of the term:
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Rogers was writing of the 2004
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election in
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vs.
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. Keyes was from
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, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out
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; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him.
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They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of
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voted for him. That's crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% crazification factor in any population.
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Another factor in Obama's favor at the time that Rogers didn't mention is that the original
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candidate, Jack Ryan,
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had been forced to suspend his candidacy after his
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and custody records were released to the press, revealing that he had taken his former wife, actress Jeri Ryan,
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to various
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clubs (including, in at least one case, a
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club) and tried to have her perform sex acts on him out in the open.
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Keyes was the GOP's last-minute replacement on the ticket after the sordid details of Ryan's divorce came out. So not only was it a normal candidate running against a clearly crazy opponent, but the crazy guy also had the baggage of the last guy's sex scandal following him, and had been drafted into the campaign with little time to prepare.
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caudaceus

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I find the whole situation is truly amusing, trump admin was the most anti China in history and before covid trump was almost guaranteed to win, now after covid he is as good as gone, to me its seems like China pulled a regime change on the us how the mighty has fallen
Don't fight them where they are strong fight them where they are weak, Sun Tzu must be so proud right now lol
Actually, maybe not. A few pages ago I posted the Lighthizer article and an "insider" speculation twitter thread about cold War attempt by Hillary. The point is, the admin, presumably under Clinton was ready to invoke a trade war as well. However, Trump trashed the trade war so bad that her allies were also under fire. No wonder a Quora user back then claimed that Trump is the most pro-china president ever.
 

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Michele Flournoy might be hawkish but pretty sure she understood that Nuclear state (read : China and NK) ain't pushover.
Read her interview
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Actually what I hope is that the next admin will be level headed instead of delusional like Pompeo.
Flournoy, unlike Ron Vara, is not suicidal/understands that Chinese nukes also operate under the same laws of physics as American nukes.
 

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I find the whole situation is truly amusing, trump admin was the most anti China in history and before covid trump was almost guaranteed to win, now after covid he is as good as gone, to me its seems like China pulled a regime change on the us how the mighty has fallen
Don't fight them where they are strong fight them where they are weak, Sun Tzu must be so proud right now lol
I still believe in the old stereotype.

It was that story about Richard Nixon, when told that Kennedy was shot. Nixon's reaction was instinctive when he immediately asked, "Was it a right wing nut?"

President Nixon did not consider himself a right wing nut. But was he truly hated, because he was a right winger.

After a while, listening to statements over the years, you know who are the right wing nuts in US politics. Here is a test. John Bolton. Of course, that is right wing nut. Too obvious.

That is the point, and the stereotype. The right wing nut of America politics is stupid. That is the main point to know about them. Also, they tend to have a comic book view of the world, cowboys and Indians, and everything approaches Armageddon. You know how some mathematical principles approaches infinity? Everything for them right wing nuts approaches Armageddon if America not on top.

The Trump administration is just basically composed of right wing nuts.

Usually when the Republicans are in power, the normal right wingers are in control, although there could be and usually was a couple of right wing nuts in the government. The Trump administration was different, the right wing nuts had almost a majority and were in full control.

The way to beat the right wing nut, since they are stupid, they are easily outmaneuvered. After a couple of rounds of being outclassed by demonstrating no strategy, they undermine their own entire plan, rendering it useless and themselves ineffective.

Happens all the time. Remember Bolton's coup in Venezuela? There is still no resolution and he's been fired for two years. But that is so atypical of the American right wing nut, how they see the world and what they do.

Trump was good for China because of the innate stupidity of the American right wing nut. These last four years, nothing more than that.
 
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caudaceus

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I still believe in the old stereotype.

It was that story about Richard Nixon, when told that Kennedy was shot. Nixon's reaction was instinctive when he immediately asked, "Was it a right wing nut?"

President Nixon did not consider himself a right wing nut. But was he truly hated, because he was a right winger.

After a while, listening to statements over the years, you know who are the right wing nuts in US politics. Here is a test. John Bolton. Of course, that is right wing nut. Too obvious.

That is the point, and the stereotype. The right wing nut of America politics is stupid. That is the main point to know about them. Also, they tend to have a comic book view of the world, cowboys and Indians, and everything approaches Armageddon. You know how some mathematical principles approaches infinity? Everything for them right wing nuts approaches Armageddon if America not on top.

The Trump administration is just basically composed of right wing nuts.

Usually when the Republicans are in power, the normal right wingers are in control, although there could be and usually was a couple of right wing nuts in the government. The Trump administration was different, the right wing nuts had almost a majority and were in full control.

The way to beat the right wing nut, since they are stupid, they are easily outmaneuvered. After a couple of rounds of being outclassed by demonstrating no strategy, they undermine their own entire plan, rendering it useless and themselves ineffective.

Happens all the time. Remember Bolton's coup in Venezuela? There is still no resolution and he's been fired for two years. But that is so atypical of the American right wing nut, how they see the world and what they do.

Trump was good for China because of the innate stupidity of the American right wing nut. These last four years, nothing more than that.
Imagine if Trump followed Bolton's wish to attack Iran. Bye2 cross Atlantic entente.
 

caudaceus

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Flournoy, unlike Ron Vara, is not suicidal/understands that Chinese nukes also operate under the same laws of physics as American nukes.
Don't forget that Kim will not be buddy2 with Biden should he elected. He might wants to test his newest toy though *wink**wink*.
 
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