A good video between Daniel Dumbrill and Carl Zha, I like Carl reasoning about America anxiety and its role in the new post Trump and covid world. Especially its hegemonic and world standing. There is a new up and coming world superstar and it ain't the US, so we need to destroy its reputation to maintain our status instead of fixing our own problem to able to compete. In other words the American had become a sore loser with a crab mentality.
Mr T
Senior Member
So you think relations between the US and China won't get any better under Biden? Oh dear, up until recently the forum had been optimistic that things would improve significantly and go back to the old way of doing diplomacy.
What the hell have you been smoking? Who the hell thought thing "would go back to the old way of doing diplomacy"?
Trump's admin. has ushered in a new era in American politics- Biden now needs to focus on de-MAGAfication, like how the Allies had to DeNazify Germany. Biden's going to need all the help from China that he can get, and there's already damage done from Trump's Huawei bans and attempts to steal other Chinese companies. America would be lucky if China agrees to continue lending money to the US.
Who? The man in your fantasy?
Hi Mr T,
On the Chinese side yes, on the American side NO! As MACE mention the US had never negotiated with a weaker hand , so the stand off stay but not as aggressive as Trump China policy. But the thing is Mr T, China with the way Pompeo handle the Taiwan issue will never trust the American again EVER!!! The core of the US China relationship is the ONE CHINA POLICY with ambiguity out of the way , it may justify the CCP immediate reunification with Taiwan with the full backing of the people. That's what Trump had unleash without any idea of the repercussion it created.
That is wishful thinking for America. Tough but America is much weaker and there is no going back.
Mr T
Senior Member
No need to be aggressive. I was thinking about the "Kissinger consensus", if you like, which was how the State Department worked for decades when dealing with Taiwan. Or even just the softly-softly approach of the Obama years.
But surely China's foreign relations need to take account of the fact that many countries around the world are multi-party democracies where governments and policy changes, so it's not practical or logical to interact with them as if they were a one-party state like China. If Xi is President-for-life then it's fairly easy to say "you did X, our future position is therefore Y". But to say to Biden "Trump did A, our future position is therefore B irrespective of what you do" takes away any possibility to improve relations. That could work with a small country like New Zealand who could be pressured into adopting a submissive foreign policy posture, but it's unlikely Biden will just do what Beijing wants on all the important issues simply because of Trump.
2021 is a single opportunity for China to reset relations with the US, even if it may not be possible on all fronts. One of the attacks made on Biden was that he would be soft on China. It's probably not true but he will probably be less confrontational so it would be worth engaging in an honest fashion. That is an opportunity for China. But to effectively respond with Trump-style aggressive diplomacy (if that's what some people here are suggesting) would be make him less likely to make concessions to China.
How very cowardly of you; you claimed that "the forum would be optimistic that things would improve significantly and go back to the old way of doing diplomacy."
And now you're backtracking as you do when confronted by the evident BS version of reality you appear to subscribe to.
But tell me, what is the "Kissinger Consensus" and where was this "Kissinger Consensus" when Obama "softly softly" declared a Pivot To Asian to contain China?
You evidently have no idea wtf you're talking about.
Yes, she along with Geoffrey Pyatt were key instigators of the illegal US coup in Ukraine in 2014. People like this are high class scumbags that do the dirty bidding of an out-of-control neocon/neolib regime that thinks it rules the world.
@Laviduce,
Its back to Russia and Syria policy again, A pivot to China deux , in summary a second Obama administration with a twist. Biden may not finish his term and may step down for Harris the prefer Obama candidate.