CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations


Tam

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You have no idea how long I have been waiting for this moment. Remember this


So now you are admitting that the Shandong will be permanently based in Hainan instead of Qingdao eh ?
Called it ages ago, if the PLAN wanted the Shandong to be at Qingdao they would have done the commissioning ceremony there.

Seems to be that way now.

Long ago, when the way they named the ships, based on the locations of the cities they are named on, you have a good inkling on where they are going to be based. For example, the Zhuhai/Luda and Zhanjiang/Luda are on the south while Dalian/Luda are assigned to the north. Shenzhen/051B is assigned to the south, and so is Guangzhou/052B. Hanzhou/Sov, Ningbo/Sov and Fuzhou/Sov are assigned to the East fleet and these are names of coastal cities in the east. Shenyang/051C is assigned to the north. Then they begin to gradually break away from that tradition.

It may have been the original plans for the Shandong is a northern deployment, till someone higher up like Xi Jing Ping wanted a sudden change in plans and wanted the ship to the south for obvious reasons. Almost every trial the Shandong conducted are in the northern waters and barely conducted any trials at the south. It would be 003 that would see the southern assignment.

Shandong might only be in the south because the winter up north is usually very bitter, making it difficult for training exercises. If Shandong stays in Hainan after spring, more or less her deployment to the south is permanent. But if she moves up again, then its another change of mind, or she's just south to weather the season.
 

Viktor Jav

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Seems to be that way now.

Long ago, when the way they named the ships, based on the locations of the cities they are named on, you have a good inkling on where they are going to be based. For example, the Zhuhai/Luda and Zhanjiang/Luda are on the south while Dalian/Luda are assigned to the north. Shenzhen/051B is assigned to the south, and so is Guangzhou/052B. Hanzhou/Sov, Ningbo/Sov and Fuzhou/Sov are assigned to the East fleet and these are names of coastal cities in the east. Shenyang/051C is assigned to the north. Then they begin to gradually break away from that tradition.

It may have been the original plans for the Shandong is a northern deployment, till someone higher up like Xi Jing Ping wanted a sudden change in plans and wanted the ship to the south for obvious reasons. Almost every trial the Shandong conducted are in the northern waters and barely conducted any trials at the south. It would be 003 that would see the southern assignment.

Shandong might only be in the south because the winter up north is usually very bitter, making it difficult for training exercises. If Shandong stays in Hainan after spring, more or less her deployment to the south is permanent. But if she moves up again, then its another change of mind, or she's just south to weather the season.
Just ticking down the ports where Shandong had docked just to keep tabs :
1) Qingdao=0
2)Yulin=2

Trials in the north can be simply explained as the it will be closer to Dalian for emergency repairs, That's all.
 

Tam

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Just ticking down the ports where Shandong had docked just to keep tabs :
1) Qingdao=0
2)Yulin=2

Trials in the north can be simply explained as the it will be closer to Dalian for emergency repairs, That's all.

Qingdao doesn't do repairs. Even Liaoning goes back to Dalian for fixes. If there are things that have to be done with the Shandong, it still has to be on Dalian.

075 is trialing in Hainan, that's not close to Shanghai. There is a 055 doing trials there in Hainan. A 052DL (no. 162) is doing trials just north of Hainan in Zhanjiang, not sure if this is a Jiangnan or Dalian made ship, which in any case is far.

PLAN appears to have changed their trials policy. There is a first stage where the shipyard trials the ship for basic issues. The second stage is where the PLAN takes over and trials the ships right around the base and the waters it plans to be assigned on. This appears meant to account for the local variables that won't be accounted if the ship is trialed near the shipyard waters.

Trials in local waters where the ship is expected to be assigned is necessary to test the cooling systems and how the ship performs under the different water and temperature conditions. Shandong, the 055 and the 052D puts more demands in their cooling systems thanks to their huge AESAs. Shandong first run to Hainan, she was pumping much water out of her hull. Second time, not so much. Maybe they have improved something during her stay in Dalian.

Other trials in the north is due to planes that maybe flying from Liaoning to Shandong, or from the PLANAF J-15 training base somewhere in the north. Shenyang AC, or SAC, makers of the Sino-Flankers is on a northern province, so easier to fly new J-15s down from factory or training base to the Shandong. Flight training is also easier up at the north, because flight traffic isn't as bad over the Bohai, versus this area of the South China Seas which is dense in commercial traffic. Once these pilots finish their qualifications, the new planes are delivered, they have to see how they will operate in the southern conditions. There is going to be military exercises over Hainan to be expected in the next few days.

If Shandong is positioned in the north, near the J-15 training base, then the ship is expected to perform as a training carrier. But if she is positioned to the south, she is more than just a training carrier now.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Seem like CV 17 conduct night exercise in SCS. Anyone has the video?
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Aircraft carrier Shandong conducts night exercises, builds up combat-readiness
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Published: Dec 29, 2020 06:38 PM


The picture shows aircraft carrier Shandong berths at a naval port in Sanya. China's first domestically-made aircraft carrier Shandong (Hull 17) was officially commissioned to the PLA Navy at a military port in Sanya, South China's Hainan Province, on the afternoon of December 17, 2019, making China one of the few countries in the world that have multiple carriers. Chinese President Xi Jinping attended the commissioning ceremony for the new aircraft carrier, which was named after China's eastern province of Shandong, and handed military flag to Senior Captain Lai Yijun, commander of the ship. Photo:China Military


China's second aircraft carrier, the Shandong, recently conducted a series of night exercises, as the warship is on its way to becoming combat-ready around-the-clock, analysts said on Tuesday.

Entry to several regions in the South China Sea is prohibited due to military exercises from Tuesday to January 7, and observers speculated the Shandong could be involved.


The Shandong recently underwent a series of test exercises in the Bohai Sea, focusing on training objectives including departing port at night, sailing through narrow water channels, maritime search and rescue and damage management, China Central Television (CCTV) reported on Monday.

It also strengthened training on aviation support and further boosted the training level of crew members under high-intensity logistics support, CCTV said.

The report showed scenes of the Shandong training at night to the public for the first time, military observers noted.

Night operations are crucial to any military unit, and many tactical and strategic opportunities and threats come at night, a Chinese military expert told the Global Times on Tuesday, requesting anonymity.

The night exercises show how quick the Shandong's progress is to gain round-the-clock combat capability, the expert said. "It won't be long before we see night fighter jet takeoff and landing exercises on the Shandong."


CCTV said that the night training was held in the Bohai Sea, and this means it likely took place before December 20, when the Shandong
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by the Bohai Sea, sailed through the Taiwan Straits and entered the South China Sea.

Senior Captain Liu Wensheng, a spokesperson for the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy, said at the time that the Shandong aircraft carrier group will conduct exercises in the South China Sea, which is a normal arrangement in accordance with its annual schedule.

"The PLA Navy will continue to hold more operations like this based on training requirements," he said.

Foreign commercial satellite images and online photos taken by residents and travelers showed the Shandong arriving at a naval port in Sanya, South China's Hainan Province. Recent overseas reports also suggest China's first Type 075 amphibious assault ship is also in Sanya.

Sanya's maritime safety administration on Monday released three navigation restriction notices, prohibiting entry of other vessels into waters in the South China Sea south, southeast and southwest of Hainan island.

Military observers expect the Shandong, possibly also the Type 075 amphibious assault ship and other warships, to participate in the 10-day exercises.
 

Tam

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On the second picture, there is another ship on the left side of the picture. Is that just another cruise ship or is that one of the barracks ships that is there to support the Shandong?
 

HaldilalSDF

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I don't knew it has been done before but still anyway.
This is the image of Shandong.
The red line represents overall length (315 meters) and the green ones represent the runways.
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Using basic ratio and proportion mathematics, the length of the runways are:
-runway 2 of Shandong: 0.67 x 315 212 meters.
-runway 3 of Shandong: 0.37 x 315 116 meters.

Note: This does NOT account for the curvature of the ski-jump ramp but it is nevertheless useful for rough comparison.

This comparison shows that the runways of the China's latest aircraft carrier!
This implies that the design of Shandong is as much maximizes the accourding to the design.
Note : longer runways = more payload & fuel for fighters = greater combat capability.
 

Intrepid

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The red line represents overall length (315 meters) and the green ones represent the runways.
Shandong has the same length than Kuznetsov and Liaoning: 305 meters.

And: there is a maximum speed for the ramp. It will be achieved with no wind on the longer runway and with wind over the deck on the shorter runway. If an aircraft uses the whole length of the carrier, it can not accelerate as much as possible because it would overspeed.
 

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