CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations


Tam

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Once again, the skies are clear over the North China Sea, just three days later after the fog and overcast on the 23rd over both Dalian and Qingdao.
 

Hendrik_2000

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I don't think there is anything wrong with the Ship. She went back to dry dock for final cleaning(barnacle) and final painting and rust proofing before commissioning
Now you ask why they didn't apply the skid resistant early on . I guess with all the construction material and heavy machinery on the deck It might damage the fragile coating so they will apply it at the very last phase of construction

What all this mean is that commission is imminent. the only thing that hasn't been checked is landing trap equipment and weapon testing. they might do it after cleaning and marking up the deck
I don't think it is slow construction 5 years from keel laying to finish carrier is fast considering she is the first home built . On average it take 7 to 8 years of construction to build carrier
have they commission QEII yet? not sure
 
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bd popeye

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Hendrik is correct in stating that there are many reasons the ship did not get underway. We as PLAN watchers do not know for certain.

On average it take 7 to 8 years of construction to build carrier
Very true. It takes the US about 7 years to build a CVN. And about 5 years to build a conventionally powered CV..when the US built them.

have they commission QEII yet? not sure
HMS Queen Elizabeth(R08) was placed in commission on December 7th 2017.

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Hendrik_2000

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Hendrik is correct in stating that there are many reasons the ship did not get underway. We as PLAN watchers do not know for certain.

Very true. It takes the US about 7 years to build a CVN. And about 5 years to build a conventionally powered CV..when the US built them.
Well we should not compare Chinese navy to US navy when it come to carrier. US has 100 years lead and has been building hundred or so carrier during the WWII
But Chinese navy has come a long way since the humble beginning of their carrier program. Now that CV 17 will be commissioning soon it is proper to remember "the father of Carrier program" Here is heart tugging story of how it all begun. Look at the expression of his face He is overawe by the might of US navy. Of course we should not also forget the huge contribution of Xu Zhengpin who took it on himself to buy Varyag.
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The story of China carrier program is full with patriotism, hard work and dogged determination against all odd

Longing for Korea’s Liu Huaqing
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The People’s Liberation Army of China reveres two heroes with the title of “father.” Qian Xuesen is called the Father of Chinese Rocketry, and Liu Huaqing is the Father of the Chinese Aircraft Carrier. Qian was the most prominent rocket scientist of his time, and after studying and researching in the United States, he returned to China and established the foundation of China’s rocket and space program. Admiral Liu was trained on the field, spending his whole life in battle and advocating the grand vision of a Chinese Navy in the Pacific. If he were alive, he would have been proud of the Liaoning, China’s first aircraft carrier.

In January, when Liu was nearing his death, several naval commanders visited his residence. His last words were, “I cannot close my eyes if I don’t see the aircraft carrier.” The commanders promised that they would make sure the first aircraft carrier was commissioned by the next year, and he closed his eyes. In 1970, Liu, then the deputy chief of naval operations, first proposed reviewing the needs of possessing an aircraft carrier at the meeting. Other commanders thought he was crazy to mention an aircraft carrier when the Navy did not have a destroyer and Chinese people were starving in the aftermath of the Cultural Revolution. He struck the desk with his fist and shouted, “One-third of Chinese territory is the surrounding seas. How can we defend it? Have you forgotten how the country was ripped apart by the Western powers?” That’s how the “territorial waters theory” became the foundation of Chinese naval strategy.

After the meeting, he created an aircraft carrier taskforce to research models, strategies and operations involving aircraft carriers and related technologies. He devised plans to educate scientists and technological experts. In 1975, he pitched his proposal to Mao Zedong for a week and in 1980, Liu visited the United States as a naval chief. He boarded the USS Kitty Hawk for the first time. He wrote in his memoir, “Tears welled up in my eyes. And I made a pledge to my country that China would have an aircraft carrier before I died.”

He led the opening of an aircraft carrier commanding officer training program and the purchase of the Ukrainian aircraft carrier Varyag, which has been rebuilt as the Liaoning. It may take decades for the Chinese aircraft carrier to have the comparable fighting power of its U.S. counterparts. But it has already become a constant, not a variable, in regards to Korea’s national security. It is regrettable that we haven’t heard about a Liu Huaqing of Korea yet.

* The writer is the Beijing bureau chief of the JoongAng Ilbo.

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longmarch

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Most people would expect that sea trial of this one would be faster than Liaoning, turns out it isn't.

I guess if they wanted to rush it for the Navy parade they could have. The fact that they didn't is a clear indication that they are in for the long game, which is also the hallmark of China's space program.
 

Viktor Jav

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To be honest I also expected them to proceed more quickly. But it is quite likely this carrier has a lower priority than we think.
This might be more a proof of ability ship to guarantee they dominate the carrier construction process, this is not a carrier they want to put into service and manufacture in quantity.


In a way it reminds me of the Chinese human space program. Which has a lot of milestones, sometimes many years apart, and is made in deliberate steps to get to a point where they can make something like a Mir space station. But with a lot of steps in between which basically replicate most of the Soviet space program in terms of milestones. Like manned orbital mission, dual manned orbital mission, spacewalk, etc.

The program is deliberately made this way to ensure they understand the technology properly and get a firm grip on how it works. This means they have less of a chance of having a program failure because of aiming for a technology which is too complex for them to dominate. The Chinese had a lot of issues like that during the Great Leap Forward era like their civilian airliner or heavy tank programs.

The goal of the CV-17 might have been not to get a working carrier in use quickly but to evaluate their large ship construction and integration methods. That's why they are having such a long and morose demonstration and evaluation program. Any issues they find in the process of building CV-17 will be rectified in CV-18/CV-19 while they are still under construction.

In a way going for EMALS in the next carriers is a considerable risk for them and goes against this kind of development process.
If what you stated holds true, that the true value of the CV-17 is in the construction process and not the actual carrier itself. Then the CV-16 and CV-17 would probably not have as long and illustrious a career as some might had thought.
If the CV-17 is merely a first trial before the next generation of carriers which are completed with catapults, then it would be highly suspect of the PLAN to keep them in service as soon as the 002s and 003s are in commission.
 

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