CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

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The Chinese are very practical. If you look at the Liaoning deck staff, it is very clear that the PLAN follows the USN carrier deck ope to the dot. Even the color scheme is the exact same as the USN.

They have no problem emulating other navies with much more experience in the carrier operations.

Part of being proud and being confident is to admit your weakness and to learn from the best. And the Chinese have been doing that openly for many years.

Also keep in mind that being humble does not mean that they should emulate others 100%. And the Chinese have shown that, in many cases, they make changes based on their unique needs, situations and strategic plans while they learn from others.

Therefore, when you see something different, give them some benefit of the doubt. Maybe, just maybe, they are doing it differently because they have a reason for that.

Also, they have been building warships for a long long time. And the scale of their operations is humongous. That means they are very experienced with the whole process. They must have a reason for doing something as mundane as painting the pendant number differently.
Not to say that what you stated is wrong (in fact it makes perfect sense), however in this instance I fail to see any discernible advantage or practicality in delaying to paint on the pennant number. The only plausible reason being that it is part of a procedural red tape.
 

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Not to say that what you stated is wrong (in fact it makes perfect sense), however in this instance I fail to see any discernible advantage or practicality in delaying to paint on the pennant number. The only plausible reason being that it is part of a procedural red tape.

That may be the case. Each government organization has their own unique bureaucracy. It’s not like the PLAN is the only government organization that has red tape.

It could also be some kind of superstition. Many navies and air forces have their own superstition unique to their culture. What they do is dangerous. Sailors and airmen over time develop their own superstition.

Either way, you can’t blame them for doing it differently.
 
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That may be the case. Each government organization has their own unique bureaucracy. It’s not like the PLAN is the only government organization that has red tape.

It could also be some kind of superstition. Many navies and air forces have their own superstition unique to their culture. What they do is dangerous. Sailors and airmen over time develop their own superstition.

Either way, you can’t blame them for doing it differently.
Very true, I can think of one instance where a British ship changed its pennant number because the number was associated with ships running aground.
 

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Henri K take on the maiden voyage of CV17
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It was under heavy fog, this morning shortly after 07:00, that the second Chinese aircraft carrier left the port of Dalian where it had been under construction for almost five years now.

The Carrier, launched on April 26, 2017 at the Dalian shipyard and displacing some 50,000 tons, has officially started its first test at sea, highly anticipated by Chinese media and fans.

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Video with english subtitle

The press organs of the Chinese army, which were many to relay the news of the departure of this second Chinese aircraft carrier this morning, gave no details as to the duration and location of this campaign. test. But
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, issued by the Chinese Maritime Security Administration two days ago, seems to have given some guidance on these points, as it was already the case for the first test at the Sea of Liaoningaircraft carrier in August 2011.

Indeed, a large area of 3 666 km², on a perimeter of 253 km, is closed for "military mission" from May 13 to 09:00 to May 18 at 12:00, for a total duration of six days. This no-go zone is about 100 km southeast of Dalian in the northern part of the Yellow Sea.

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In yellow the zone of the 1st test to the sea of the 2nd Chinese aircraft carrier. In green, that of Lianoning in August 2011. (Image: East Pendulum)

Compared to the first sea trial of 16 Liaoning , the test area of the second Chinese aircraft carrier is nearly four times larger (3,666 km² against 1,001 km²). The duration of the test is also longer than one day.

According to
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, this first test at sea of the new aircraft carrier will be devoted essentially to evaluate the reliability and stability of its propulsion system (主要 检测 验证 动力 系统 系统 设备 等 设备 设备 设备 设备 设备性.). That of the Liaoning aircraft carrier being in relatively good condition during the acquisition, the Chinese engineers were able to preserve the maximum on the ship while making necessary improvements on the few original design defects. But in parallel they also designed a new steam propulsion system, whose development is already completed in 2009, which originally was dedicated to the future CATOBAR aircraft carrier if the Chinese top leaders had not decided to "hoist A second STOBAR in the meantime, given the geopolitical tension.

Delivery of the 2nd Chinese aircraft carrier before September 2019
The question that can be asked now is when this second aircraft carrier could be delivered to the Chinese navy. On this precise point our estimate remains unchanged and counts on an official delivery before September 2019.


If we compare now the progress of construction of the first two Chinese aircraft carriers, we also see that this date is quite realistic - the first test at sea of the aircraft carrier Liaoningbegan on August 10, 2011 and the ship has joined the Chinese Navy on September 25, 2012, a year and a month later.

Although the CSIC Group 701 design office has made a lot of changes to this second aircraft carrier compared to Liaoning , but basically the two ships can be considered sisterships in broad outline. It is reasonable to assume that the test campaign for this new building should not be much larger than Liaoning's .
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The layout of the second carrier is still in its infancy, which does not yet allow us to make a complete visual comparison between the two Chinese aircraft carriers, but we can already point out the difference in design in terms of the propulsion system, fully updated combat systems, given the equipment implemented on the island, and the layout of certain installations on board.

For example, the island of this second aircraft carrier is shorter in length than Liaoning , which gives a slightly higher useful surface area on the flight deck, but not enough to justify a more substantial allocation of aircraft. number of aircraft on board. The second Chinese aircraft carrier should therefore always carry 36 aircraft, including 24 J-15 fighters.


The photos and videos released this morning also allow us to see that the anti-diving grenade system of the second Chinese aircraft carrier has evolved from eight tubes to twelve tubes per system. The four small munitions lifts, located between the two flame deflectors at the 105-meter stations, seem to have been replaced by a single large lift also.

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Anti-diver systems (Image: CCTV-7)

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The ammunition freight elevator between the two flame reflectors at points 105 meters (Photo: Chinese Navy)

Note that the report of the national television channel CCTV-13 unveiled the name of the captain of this new Chinese aircraft carrier. This is Rear Admiral LAI Yi Jun (来 奕 军), former leader of the 8th Frigate Flotilla and captain of the 522 Lianyungang frigate (Type 053H3), and elected the best commanding officers of the Chinese Army in 2010.

Little is known about this new commander of the building but unofficial sources indicate that LAI is "very intelligent" and has a "very good level in English". He would also be a "great collector of knives", but all of this remains to be confirmed.

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Rear-Admiral LAI, Captain of the 2nd Chinese Aircraft Carrier (Image: 解放军 网络 电视)

To be continued.

Henri K.
 

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Some statistic roughly 500 enterprises involve in the design and construction of the carrier It has
1600 cabin and at the highest peak of contsruction employ 3000 worker. 70% are civilian companies
Average age of the carrier designer is 36 years old. A young team at the peak of their creativity
First steel cutting is November 2013 So 4-1/2 years from first steel cutting to trial

China is ready to build bigger warships, its naval shipyard said as the first domestically built aircraft carrier began a sea trial early on Sunday.

The new warship was a collaboration between civilian contractors and researchers and the defence industry, Hu Wenming, chairman of the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation, told state television on Sunday. He said more than 70 per cent of the companies involved in the warship project were from civilian sectors.

The new aircraft carrier left the shipyard in northeastern Dalian at 6.45am, Xinhua reported, sailing out of the port half an hour later in heavy fog to put its home-grown power and propulsion systems to the test at sea for the first time.

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Launched in April last year, the 65,000-tonne Type 001A has yet to be named and is an upgrade to the Liaoning, China’s only operational aircraft carrier – a retrofitted Soviet-era Admiral Kuznetsov-class multi-role vessel that went into service in 2012.

Naval experts said the Chinese engineers and designers behind the warship had studied the most advanced military technology used in the US, as well as the former Soviet Union, and tried to incorporate it into the new carrier to meet the practical needs of the PLA Navy.

Hu told China Central Television that the shipbuilder’s team now had the experience to build a bigger aircraft carrier.

“We have already developed a team of experts in the research, design and construction [of aircraft carriers], and their average age is just 36,” Hu said. “In the future, if the country wants to develop any type of aircraft carrier, we have the capability to do it.”

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Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie was confident China would build a large aircraft carrier in the future.

“Even though there’s a gap now between the new aircraft carrier and the most advanced one in the world, China will speed up on shipbuilding and narrow the gap ... we will build a large carrier in the future,” Li said.

Newer US aircraft carriers like the USS Gerald R. Ford and USS Ronald Reagan, both of which are nuclear-powered, have a displacement of more than 100,000 tonnes. Both the Liaoning and the new warship use conventionally powered engines.

China has been trying to build up a blue-water navy that can operate globally and support its maritime security. The South China Morning Post reported in January, citing sources close to the Chinese military, that
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, with a displacement of 80,000 tonnes.

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Hu told the state broadcaster that the new warship was a good example of military and civilian specialists working together. The project involved 532 contractors, 412 of which were from civilian state-owned enterprises, private companies, research institutes and universities.

Naval expert Li said Sunday’s sea trial would have tested basic functions such as its propulsion power, and it would take several more before the aircraft carrier could be delivered to the navy for military trials. He expected that to happen at the end of this year or early next year.

The local maritime authority has restricted an area in the Yellow Sea off the coast of Dalian from Sunday to noon on Friday.

Military observers had been watching for signs the new aircraft carrier was about to start sea trials after photos of it being moved from its berth by tugboats were published in state media on April 23.

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: Made-in-China carrier heads out for first sea trials
 
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Another nice pic of her moving away from dockside with three stories regarding the 1st sea trials:

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Washington Instances said:
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BEIJING (AP) – China’s first fully home-built plane provider has begun sea trials in an indication of the rising sophistication of the nation’s home arms trade.


State media say the still-unnamed ship left dock within the northern port of Dalian early Sunday. The Liaoning provincial
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security bureau issued an order for delivery to keep away from a bit of ocean southeast of town between Sunday and Friday.

China’s first plane provider, the Liaoning, arrived as a largely empty hull from Ukraine and was commissioned in 2012 together with its flight wing of Chinese language J-15 fighter jets.


Each carriers are constructed on former Soviet Union fashions and run on oil, though media studies say China is planning to construct a nuclear-powered plane provider able to remaining at sea for lengthy durations.

also at Finance Times

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Finance Time said:
China's first domestically developed aircraft carrier left its northeastern port to begin sea trials on Sunday, state media said, the latest milestone in the country's efforts to modernize its military.

The still-unnamed carrier was launched this time last year but since then has been undergoing fitting of weapons and other systems and has not yet entered service.

The official Xinhua news agency confirmed the ship had left for trials with a short announcement. Other state news outlets showed undated photos of a fog-shrouded carrier just off of its dock.

"Our country's second aircraft carrier set sail from its dock in the Dalian shipyard for relevant waters to conduct a sea trial mission, mainly to inspect and verify the reliability and stability of mechanical systems and other equipment," Xinhua said.

Little is known about China's aircraft carrier program, which is a state secret, though official media in recent weeks had widely speculated that sea trials were set to start.

Chinese President Xi Jinping is overseeing an ambitious plan to update the armed forces, including the development of stealth jets and anti-satellite missiles, as China ramps up its presence in the disputed South China Sea and around self-ruled Taiwan, an island it considers its own.

Chinese military experts have told state media that the carrier, China's second and built in the northeastern port of Dalian, is not expected to enter service until 2020, once it has been fully kitted out and armed.

But the government has said the new carrier's design draws on experiences from the country's first carrier, the Liaoning, bought second-hand from Ukraine in 1998 and refitted in China.

The new conventionally powered carrier will be able to operate China's Shenyang J-15 fighter jets.

Unlike the U.S. Navy's longer-range nuclear carriers, both of China's feature Soviet-design ski-jump bows, intended to give fighter jets enough lift to take off. They lack the powerful catapult technology for launching aircraft that U.S. carriers have.

China's navy has been taking an increasingly prominent role in recent months, with its first aircraft carrier, expected to serve more as a training vessel, sailing around self-ruled Taiwan and new Chinese warships popping up in far-flung places.

State media has quoted experts as saying that the country needs at least six carriers. The United States operates 10 and plans to build two more.

Most experts agree that developing such a force will be a decades-long endeavor for China, but progress on the home-built carrier holds a certain prestige value for Beijing, seen by many analysts as keen to eventually erode U.S. military prominence in the region.

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China’s first home-built aircraft carrier began sea trials on Sunday, a major step for
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as it ramps up its military might.

The carrier will be the second to enter the Chinese navy, and comes as Beijing seeks to modernise its armed forces.

The ship, which is known only as «Type 001A», set out for the trials from the north-eastern port of Dalian, where it was built

The trail was to «test the reliability and stability of the carrier’s power system and other equipment,»
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said

«Construction on the carrier has been carried out as planned since it was launched in April last year, and equipment debugging, outfitting and mooring tests have been completed to make it ready for the trial mission at sea,» it added, citing sources.

China’s military has been updated and modernised since Chinese president Xi Jinping assumed power five years ago.

The carrier, which is not expected to enter service until 2020, is the latest milestone in China’s military development, and
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f in the strategic waters of the South China Sea, and
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Steve Tsang, director of the China Institute at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), said: «This is clearly a landmark development, particularly in demonstrating the ambition and intention of the Chinese Government under Xi Jinping.

The country’s first carrier, the Liaoning, was bought second-hand from Ukraine in 1998, refitted in China, and commissioned in 2012.

Both Chinese aircraft carriers have similar «ski jump» ramps, and closely resemble Soviet style vessels.

They will «not pose major challenges» to the «US domination of the sea lanes», Prof Tsang told The Telegraph.

The US’s 11 vessels are nuclear powered and have far superior technology, including catapult systems for launching aircraft.

Prof Tsang added: «But for the rest of China’s neighbours, the new carrier based doctrine of the People’s Liberation Army is frightening, as none of them can remotely match China’s new naval capabilities.
 
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