CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations


Hendrik_2000

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I thought, the destroyers Hangzhou and Fuzhou have the same power plant (or say better: half of the same power plant) and they are in Chinese service since nearly twenty years. There is enough knowledge about this steam turbines/boilers.
Exactly China has one of the largest power plant industry in the world and Built everything domestically for decades know China is self sufficient when it come to power plant equipment They have been exporting it all over the world for decades To say that China has no experience in steam turbine is ridiculous and reflect the ignorance and lack of knowledge about China power plant industry

Most likely Liaoning power plant has been completely rebuilt or retube They mention that in the press
So no more Ukrainian stuff left. He show wrong type of boiler anyway. I guess snake at one time posted the O boiler. He still here maybe he can repost that boiler sketch
 

Anlsvrthng

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I thought, the destroyers Hangzhou and Fuzhou have the same power plant (or say better: half of the same power plant) and they are in Chinese service since nearly twenty years. There is enough knowledge about this steam turbines/boilers.

Xu Zengping disclosed that the militarily sensitive original engines of the carrier were intact when Ukraine sold the vessel in 1998. This is contrary to what Beijing told the world at the time.



The "four intact engines had been perfectly grease-sealed" after work stopped on the vessel in 1992, presenting an enticing engineering package for a country seeking a leg up for its military.

It is the first time anyone linked to the deal has confirmed publicly the engines were in place at the time of purchase. Earlier reports said the vessel's power generation system was removed at Ukraine's Nikolayev South Shipyard on the Black Sea along with its electronics and weaponry before Xu bought it in 1998 for US$20 million.

"When I was taken to the carrier's engine room by the shipyard's chief engineer, I found all four engines were brand new and carefully grease-sealed, each of them originally costing US$20 million," Xu said. He said a refit finished in 2011 restored the four engines to operating condition.

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"The Chinese side deliberately released false information about the removal of the engines to make it easier for Xu and the shipyard to negotiate," a source familiar with the deal told the South China Morning Post.

Western media also reported that the United States pressured Ukraine to remove everything on board the carrier, selling only the hull to the Chinese buyer, the source added.




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What I said was :That is quite rare and expensive skill these days, and for a 70k tons Slavish made capital ship it is definitively unique.
 
Was the boiler included with the Varyag or just the engines? I can't seem to find a source on that. Much more difficult, I understand, is to find a source on whether they are still in use or replaced if they were indeed included. I find it hard to believe that China would ever let any of her ships get into the condition we saw the Kuznetsov in, whether it be done by replacing the known problem parts for superior ones at the refit, heightening the maintenance, or planned upgrade before any hazardous deterioration.
 

bd popeye

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I find it hard to believe that China would ever let any of her ships get into the condition we saw the Kuznetsov in, whether it be done by replacing the known problem parts for superior ones at the refit, heightening the maintenance, or planned upgrade before any hazardous deterioration.
After looking at thousands of photos of PLAN ships I can state that they always appear to be in near pristine condition. And PLAN sailors always looked really squared away. I don't care if the photos are all photo ops. Squared away is squared away!! In both cases a real tribute to the sailor that man those ships. You'll never see a PLAN ship in the conditions we've seen aboard Admiral Kuznetsov..never gonna happen. Never.
 

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One of designers involved in development of the boilers for Admiral Kuznetsov carrier told Mil.Press Today that, apart from design defects, the incompetent handling of the boilers by the crews should be borne in mind as well. For one, using of sea water for boilers servicing instead of distilled one. However, Russian Navy’s ships are not equipped properly enough to generate sufficient amount of desalinated water.
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MwRYum

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What the original?

It came stripped of everything including engines so your not correct
Interestingly enough that's the story that ran in the years prior to Varyag finally reached Dalian. What later according to those who ran the continuation works in China, was that it certainly look grim at first glance but after you wipe off the surface dust and rust, the true excellent condition presented itself. Actually I remember the CCTV ran a programme that in one episode, they got the first skipper of the Liaoning who involved in the ship's construction phase to recall what they got through to complete Liaoning.

By the time Liaoning hit the final phase and about to launch, then they broke the story that the reality of the "destruction work" made by Ukrainian shipyard - in short, they may indeed strip down some of the valuable items to exchange for hard currency, but those were of lesser importance; the critical systems (especially the boilers and propulsion) the "destruction" were minor or even token i.e. nothing that Chinese shipyard can't repair.

Then there's the difference in terms of service and care afforded, in Russia and China - while Russia's shipyards suffers even today, from the 90s to today Chinese shipbuilding industry in general is in far better shape, thus they could give ships in their charge more care. The Kuznetzov even in the immediate post-USSR days was known to have problems (to say the very least, it wasn't fully ready when it made a run for Russia's port on that fateful day), and in the decades that follows not much modernisation was rendered.

The Liaoning, on the other hand, the PLAN ran her hard (even the mileage mostly spent in that duckpond but ironically, more than Kuznetzov moored at port), but she certainly got the service package fit for a queen, and every time she came out of the drydock she looks tinkered.

Lastly, it should be noted that the Liaoning was built by the USSR, not by Ukraine - the latter was so poor that they hardly clocked any further work on it.
 

Anlsvrthng

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After looking at thousands of photos of PLAN ships I can state that they always appear to be in near pristine condition. And PLAN sailors always looked really squared away. I don't care if the photos are all photo ops. Squared away is squared away!! In both cases a real tribute to the sailor that man those ships. You'll never see a PLAN ship in the conditions we've seen aboard Admiral Kuznetsov..never gonna happen. Never.
It is more about keeping the face.

Chinese ( USA) has an expected looking / face that they wants to keep.

The Russians doesn't care about that what anyone else think about them.

Can you imagine an USA warship that sails through the Channel with an ugly red firetruck on its deck?

The PLAN is the window of the Chinese Communist Party.

The US navy is the fist of the USA empire.

Both of them has to look as good as possible.

The Russian navy has to protect the motherland.
 

Tam

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It is more about keeping the face.

Chinese ( USA) has an expected looking / face that they wants to keep.

The Russians doesn't care about that what anyone else think about them.

Can you imagine an USA warship that sails through the Channel with an ugly red firetruck on its deck?

The PLAN is the window of the Chinese Communist Party.

The US navy is the fist of the USA empire.

Both of them has to look as good as possible.

The Russian navy has to protect the motherland.

You got that now in the opposite.

The Russian ships are now meticulously clean. Even the older ones, such as the Slava class cruisers.

Its the US ships that look dirty and rusty.

Why has things turned around?

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Deino

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Guys ... can we stay on topic ... now there are Russian ships in comparison to USN vessels !
 

longmarch

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Liaoning still has the original engine on I believe. It's an old design and takes time to start it. After commissioning sailers came up a way to start it faster and was given an award.

With the power and wealth China has today it's hard to imagine China was still dirt poor at the turn of this centrury, ten of millions workers were laid off before joining WTO. Thinking in the mind of today would make it look too easy . From the collapse of Soviet Union it took more than 20 years to get it commission, that speaks in volume.

Mr. Xu ended up covering the cost of acquiring Vayag all by himself after the guy who promised him fell from power, spending many years paying his debt. Even the banker who loaned Xu got his career ruined, being suspected of foul play and retired with disgrace. This was a drama more twisted than screenplay.
 

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