CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

[Deleted member 13312]

CVBG-16 (PLANS Liaoning Carrier Battle Group) is definitely not a Training ships.
If CV-16 is a Training ship, China's Navy will put an Admiral name in that ship instead of a Province name.

The using of Province name in CV-16 tell us that it is a Combat Vessel.
But yes, China's Ofiicial always show low profile.
because they know, 1 wrong word regarding their Aircraft Carriers fleet. Most Western media and "experts" who have biased view toward China's Development will say China is preparing WW3 and Doom days is counting.

Just look at when South China Sea issue stilll hot because Philipines tribunal and China's Naval Base in their Southern seas still not active, they send CVBG-16 to patrol their Territory from other countries who try to claim and grab their South China Sea.

Gladly, today their Naval base already Active to Secure and keep Shipping lines open in South China Sea from outsiders and Pirates.



And I believe it's only a matter of time that CV-16 and CV-17 to do some Patrol mission together when condition is right. Maybe not a convoy mission like Forbin's picture but more like Joint Operations.

Yes in the peace and calm period like this their Aircraft Carriers will keep training and training their growing Naval Aviation Forces, just like other countries

Names is only part of the equation here, the Liaoning may be named in accordance with active service ship regulations. But no one should be confused as to what is its main priority, which is to serve as the nucleus for the future PLAN carrier fleet structure.
AFAIK the Liaoning has never venture as far south as the Fiery Cross Reef in the SCS to enforce any claims, the forays into the area were mostly restricted to the vicinity of Hainan Island.

There is several reasons why I believe that the Liaoning will never be part of an active patrol mission, first of all is the sheer age of the vessel. Even if it was consigned to a dock for most of its life before, it is still a 20+ year hulk. Second is that the carrier specs is not what the PLAN is looking for, it is usable as a blue print for future carriers or for crew training, but in comparison with the CV-17 it is lacking in several critical areas.

Can the Liaoning fight in a pinch or when the situation calls for it ? Absolutely, I am not doubting that. Would it be the PLAN's first choice of carrier for a show of force mission or patrol ? No, I don't think so.

 

[Jeff Head]

I have been saying this for years and continue.

Liaoning is a training vessel only in the sense that it is the first and HAD to traain up others sailors, flyers, etc.

It is a full capable combat ship, and already has been used on patrols and will continue (IMHO) to be used as such whenever the PLAN leadership tasks it to do so.

It will also continue training personnel for use on the second carrier...which itself will work up its own air wing and theref ore also train.

but both can and will be used operationally, and I am willing to bet we will see them operate together from time to time...and surely for a PR and photo Op as soon as the PLAN can arange it.

Having those two carriers and their air groups and escorts operating together and photoed doing so will send a huge and strong message to the entire western pacific, and to the world and the PRC will not miss out on the opportunity to do so.

 

[kwaigonegin]

Names is only part of the equation here, the Liaoning may be named in accordance with active service ship regulations. But no one should be confused as to what is its main priority, which is to serve as the nucleus for the future PLAN carrier fleet structure.
AFAIK the Liaoning has never venture as far south as the Fiery Cross Reef in the SCS to enforce any claims, the forays into the area were mostly restricted to the vicinity of Hainan Island.

There is several reasons why I believe that the Liaoning will never be part of an active patrol mission, first of all is the sheer age of the vessel. Even if it was consigned to a dock for most of its life before, it is still a 20+ year hulk. Second is that the carrier specs is not what the PLAN is looking for, it is usable as a blue print for future carriers or for crew training, but in comparison with the CV-17 it is lacking in several critical areas.

Can the Liaoning fight in a pinch or when the situation calls for it ? Absolutely, I am not doubting that. Would it be the PLAN's first choice of carrier for a show of force mission or patrol ? No, I don't think so.

Have to respectfully disagree with you there chief. She is active duty and will conduct active air operations period. It's not like PLAN has dozens of carriers to choose from in which case I may agree with your assesmenet.

She is the first and even when PLAN puts out to sea a few more carriers she will still be in a very unique company among the very few. She has dual roles which includes training but again only because she is the first not just for her type but the first UNIQUE vessel of her type in PLAN's history.

20+ years is nothing for a ship's hull especially considering she was rebuilt pretty much from the keel up. My projection is she will remain in active service at least until a second CVN is fully commissioned.

 

[jobjed]

Have to respectfully disagree with you there chief. She is active duty and will conduct active air operations period. It's not like PLAN has dozens of carriers to choose from in which case I may agree with your assesmenet.

She is the first and even when PLAN puts out to sea a few more carriers she will still be in a very unique company among the very few. She has dual roles which includes training but again only because she is the first not just for her type but the first UNIQUE vessel of her type in PLAN's history.

20+ years is nothing for a ship's hull especially considering she was rebuilt pretty much from the keel up. My projection is she will remain in active service at least until a second CVN is fully commissioned.

pop3 did say the ex-Varyag's hull was in excellent condition under the thing rust layer. Good for 40-50 years of service. We don't know if the PLAN will actually sail her for 40-50 years but if they are, Liaoning will be decommissioned in the 2050-60s.

 

[Air Force Brat]

pop3 did say the ex-Varyag's hull was in excellent condition under the thing rust layer. Good for 40-50 years of service. We don't know if the PLAN will actually sail her for 40-50 years but if they are, Liaoning will be decommissioned in the 2050-60s.

Yes, I fully concur, CV-16 is NO different than any other carrier in the world in training both Sailors and Airmen,,, in a technical sense, every vessel in the active duty military is a training vessel, but the Liaoning is the first of her type for China's "blue water" Navy, and will be fully utilized as the fulcrum of a CVBG, and as soon as CV-17 puts to sea, they will be looking to fully integrate their operations into one co-hesive whole.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

Have to respectfully disagree with you there chief. She is active duty and will conduct active air operations period. It's not like PLAN has dozens of carriers to choose from in which case I may agree with your assesmenet.

She is the first and even when PLAN puts out to sea a few more carriers she will still be in a very unique company among the very few. She has dual roles which includes training but again only because she is the first not just for her type but the first UNIQUE vessel of her type in PLAN's history.

20+ years is nothing for a ship's hull especially considering she was rebuilt pretty much from the keel up. My projection is she will remain in active service at least until a second CVN is fully commissioned.

Fine we can always agree to disagree here. But I will add that we will have to see what the PLAN decides to do with the CV-16 after the CV-17 is commissioned somewhere in the next couple of years. Other then that we will also have too see the tempo of deployments that the PLAN sets her with. It will have to be more then the current training of pilots and the occasional cruise from the North to the South to qualify as being active.
In any case I don't forsee the PLAN conducting anything more serious then that until they get at least the Type 002 online. or at least a few more Type001A.

 

[kurutoga]

Liaoning is like a quarterback coach doubles as field goal holder as well as emergency QB. Nothing wrong with that.

IMHO the reason they did not ship Liaoning's group beyond a limited range is mostly because of politics. In any direction it may travel, Japan, Taiwan, South China Sea, some people want to see more conflicts, China is trying to tune it down and maintain "status quo" while catching up. The staus quo has always been changing in the past 20 years, though.

 

[Intrepid]

Liaonings main task for a couple of years is to help to train pilots and develop tactics.

 

[Jeff Head]

My 1/350 scale Chinese (PLAN) CSG:

 

[kurutoga]

Fabulous, Jeff. Are they 3d printed?