Crazy ideas thread

[TerraN_EmpirE]

For sure I know that the XM-29 was dead and XM25 was the new replacement, but K-11 was cancelled? that is news to me. Not trying to question you, but was there any news link on it.

Well, the one that I am mentioning was not for automatic fire, since it would be heavy, huge and unbalance the gun, but more like current single load and single fire grenade. I am curious, do you have a link on the 40mm system that you mentioned, I am interested to read the article. Also, I know that automatic fire definitely provide advantage, but how much more advantage does it provide for a single soldier. I mean a firing squad can carry a XM-25 around or the XM307 for the crew.

Another thing that I want to ask for everyone, if you were to design an OICW, would you prefer to have separate trigger for the grenade, or to have it within the same trigger. My personal preference is have separate trigger, since in emergency situation, you can fire the rifle right away without turning the switch if you are on the grenade launcher mode

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okay first I was wrong its the XK13 that was killed not K11 although it had some issues over the years.

two neither M25 or neopup are capable of selective fire. They purely semiautomatic type. One pull of the trigger one shot. The reason why they wanted the smaller round were to enable that capacity. A single shot 40mm is superior in terms of blast radius and explosive force. The smaller 20mm and 25mm are more accurate interns of trajectory and velocity. So its a trade off. Semiautomatic or repeater type means though that if you feel the need to lay on the fire power you empty the magazine.

between the two options? I can see pluses and minuses on both. I would rather issue a M25 grenade launcher though along with a compact lightweight carbine like the LWRC Six8 UCIW that.

 

[bd popeye]

Even transports have some armour, they are military aircraft after all, I never claimed otherwise. But are transports armoured to withstand 50.cal hits? All over?

If you are telling me that even transports are proof against 50 cal fire no matter where they are hit, that is certainly news to me mate.

I don't & did not know the details know plawolf. Sorry.

The Armor I saw was about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch thick and I do not know what it's strength was. I just know it had to be removed so my squadron could fly the aircraft... something about fuel consumption.. Those aircraft also had armored pilot & co-pilot seats. Those armored seats were extremely heavy.

 

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okay first I was wrong its the XK13 that was killed not K11 although it had some issues over the years.

two neither M25 or neopup are capable of selective fire. They purely semiautomatic type. One pull of the trigger one shot. The reason why they wanted the smaller round were to enable that capacity. A single shot 40mm is superior in terms of blast radius and explosive force. The smaller 20mm and 25mm are more accurate interns of trajectory and velocity. So its a trade off. Semiautomatic or repeater type means though that if you feel the need to lay on the fire power you empty the magazine.

between the two options? I can see pluses and minuses on both. I would rather issue a M25 grenade launcher though along with a compact lightweight carbine like the LWRC Six8 UCIW that.

Thanks for the information Terran, didn't know they were already developing this system. Also I made a mistake in saying automatic instead of semi-auto

Another thing that came to my mind is instead of using the M203, they can use the side loading grenade launcher attachment with its own trigger and pistol grip, so it can be use as a handle when using the rifle, or when you detach it, you can attach the sight system to the grenade launcher and can be used as a separate weapon system

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

That might end up happening. IWI this year showed off a new under barrel grenade launcher for the Tavor that features its own pistol grip and side opening. The US Army now issues the M320 as its modular grenade launcher, although the USMC still retains M203A2 its likely they are under pressure to fallow suit. And the Singapore unit looks like its side break to.

 

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The link shows us Hard Kill protection for helicopters, which is similar to tanks. I wonder what will happen if they develop it for jets or bomber.

Another crazy idea that I have for old bombers that had guns on it. With the advance of technology such as radar and computer tracking and controller cannons (20mm - 30mm) could they possibly mount this to bomber to have it intercept incoming AA missiles?

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

a crazy Idea I have been kicking around it is a remote weapons door gun for a helicopter. now one of the advantages in this role is it does not have to traverse far beyond 180* horizontally lets say 190* max. and it would not have to move beyond 90* vertically. this would simplify the mounting allowing faster movement and simplify targeting. The range of weapons normally being medium to heavy 7.62x51mm to 12.7mm would simplify mounting.

 

[shen]

a crazy Idea I have been kicking around it is a remote weapons door gun for a helicopter. now one of the advantages in this role is it does not have to traverse far beyond 180* horizontally lets say 190* max. and it would not have to move beyond 90* vertically. this would simplify the mounting allowing faster movement and simplify targeting. The range of weapons normally being medium to heavy 7.62x51mm to 12.7mm would simplify mounting.

Remote guns have been tried. But not very popular in service.

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1)the nausea problem goes back to the days when B-29 was fitted remote guns. The gunner doesn't have sight of the horizon, the movements in the view from gunsight is different from what his body is experiencing, you get nausea.
2)if the weapon system is too complex and heavy, it is not appropriate for its defensive role on a transport helicopter.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

the systems used on the B29 are a far cry from today's.
the Gun on Osprey was mounted under the hull in a location that was never intended to mount a MG until it was requested. the Rules of Engagement factored heavily in its non use. This would not be the case on defensive armament found on a utility chopper like blackhawk or NH90
. this would be using existing locations for machine guns. so the issue would weight.
the turret on Osprey weighed in at 800 lbs two would be 1600 lbs.
now It might not need to weight that much as We are restricting its movement and role now a Samson Jr. Series Remote weapons station tips the scales at 165 pounds. it fits M240 MG's thats about 30 pounds a thousand rounds of 7.62 nato is 75 pounds because this is linked lets say 100 pounds add in the feed chute and lets say 30 pounds. were at 325 pounds double that and 650 per chopper. the step up in that family the Samson Mini can mount a M134 Minigun and tips the scales at ~400 pounds. the latest of the M134 series with Titanium tips the scales at about 53 pounds a thousand round box of ammo is about 75 pounds because this is linked lets say 100 pounds. the ammo feed is maybe 30 pounds thus far were at will say 550-560 that is roughly one combat infantryman and a lightly armed aviation crewman. now double it. 1100-1120 pounds.
Now For a light chopper this is a definitive mission kill. but for a larger chopper or a uprated one it might be worth while.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

A unmanned ground vehicle to scout behind enemy lines but designed to do so via being dropped from a aircraft.
It could be dropped with a parachute but I am thinking a little more daring. Basically a helicopter or low flying aircraft would just chuck it out the door the UGV would be built with shock absorbers so that it would hit grounds correct its self and deploy in a manor not to different from say Opportunity or Yutu. And start looking for trouble. The UGV would likely need to be built with off the shelf optics and sensors and outfitted with a self destruct.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Crazy Idea revival!
Idea, since the USAF Is working now on the development of the next Bomber which I will call XB3, and said XB3 is said to be being looked at for multirole here is my though. Take one of the developing prototypes and instead of installing a bomb bay extend the cockpit with a corridor leading to the bomb bay area then install in the upper portion of the bay a cabin with say six to eight computer work stations the life support equipment to keep them alive and a ejection system. In the lower portion of the bomb bay install the super computers, mate into her hull advanced data links and Distributed IR sensors, communications equipment and a Lpoi AESA radar array with the antenna being mounted in a canoe like pod designed to minimize its own and the host aircraft's RCS. The goal a stealthy AEW.

alongside that one take a bomber version and install in the bomb bay extra fuel tanks leading to a low observable mounted refueling module that can be reconfigured for probe or straight line refuel.

finally though I am still trying to figure out how to do it a suppressed under barrel grenade launcher for Honey badger.