Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[LawLeadsToPeace]

Who is "they all?" Do not confuse the US with Western countries in general. Only the US wants to blame China; the rest of the countries at the G7 blocked America's attempt to do so even in China's absence. Having the G6 stand up to the US to defend China is something I never considered a possibility a few years ago. And even before the virus struck, Europe had already frayed from America's economic attack on China. Now, many European leaders are thanking China and humbled by the effectiveness of China's actions compared to their own even though they had much more warning time. This is opening their minds to the possibility that their system is not automatically the better than China's, which is what they always assumed to be true and strove to prove day-in and day-out before. Although I too have always envisioned the EU standing with America and China needing to overcome both to become the world's premier power, I wouldn't be close-minded to other, more savory possibilities as they take shape.

This virus may seem like the sky is falling now, but it will be over in a few months and every country will survive it and every country will go back to normal. China can be as ugly or as noble as it sees fit (and perhaps sometimes, ugliness is deserved) but no one is going to be finished off by this virus regardless of how China behaves. What will ultimately be left behind in people's minds as the legacy to the COVID-19 chapter is either China's leadership in a time of crisis or its opportunistic vengeful ugliness.

I can see your point on Europe; however I still believe the US must be taken down a notch or two, especially the current administration and his entire political base and party. As of now, the current US administration is acting like the snake in the tale, "The Farmer and the Snake". If China right now acts like the farmer in that story, the US will attack after total recovery. They will still do anything in their power to crush China due to their irrational fear. The only way to stop this threat is to just not help the US on the federal level (and several states such as Florida) and force them to openly beg for supplies. This would basically destroy their arrogance and slap a ton of reality into their face.

 

[manqiangrexue]

I can see your point on Europe; however I still believe the US must be taken down a notch or two, especially the current administration and his entire political base and party. As of now, the current US administration is acting like the snake in the tale, "The Farmer and the Snake". If China right now acts like the farmer in that story, the US will attack after total recovery. They will still do anything in their power to crush China due to their irrational fear. The only way to stop this threat is to just not help the US on the federal level (and several states such as Florida) and force them to openly beg for supplies. This would basically destroy their arrogance and slap a ton of reality into their face.

Well, if you refer to my first post, like I said, the whole world is watching how China treats a rival when he's down. It's not impressive to be kind and generous to countries that praise you and vaunt partnership with you. The whole world wants to see how much forgiveness, generosity, and and philanthropy China has in a situation where the humanitarian response helps a Chinese rival. China doesn't do this because it feels that those in America who insult, blame, and fear China (with calls to boycott its goods) deserve Chinese help; China does this to show the world that in times of crisis, China is the type of leader with a big enough heart to extend a helping hand to even the most bitter foe for the good of humanity.

And yes, when the US recovers, it will be at full force again trying to antagonize China, but now the world can see China's confidence that its rise cannot be stopped.

 

[Deino]

Ok guys ... and we we are again on the best way deep into politics!!

Just leave it ....

 

[plawolf]

As I said before, COVID19 is a global crisis. The world can not recover if a country as large and important as the US continue to have a rampant and uncontrolled outbreak. Sooner or later that outbreak will spread right back to the rest of the world.

As such, China should offer America state assistance (charged at fair market value). If Trump rejects it, China should make the same offer to all US state governors.

 

[AndrewS]

No. It is always time to humiliate your enemy and get one over on him. The Chinese government is unfortunately wasting a splendid opportunity to do just that. China just looks like a common OEM supplier in this situation, a footnote, a bit player. Here's how it should have been handled:

1. No mask or medical equipment exports to the US as there would be under normal conditions. This is not to be handled as a regular business transaction.
2. The US government can most humbly request assistance and pay appropriate tribute to China.
3. China - with magnanimity and grace - will of course accept the US's humble plea for charity and fly the required medical assistance to America on Y-20 transports, with several camera crews waiting at JFK to take copious footage.

But is the US an enemy?

There are many in the US (and some in China) who want the US and China to be enemies.
But that would be a terrible thing for the world.

China is already big enough to compete effectively with the US in many ways, or just to ignore the USA.
That disparity will only increase in the coming years.

Those in charge are already having to come to the reality that they no choice but to work with China.
There's no need to unnecessarily humiliate others, and make moderates into enemies.

Anyway, back on topic.

 

[shanlung]

2600 years ago, Sun Tzu wrote his Ping Fa better known perhaps to you as 'The Art of War'
One fundamental underlie his thoughts in his PingFa.

知 己 知 彼
zhi ji zhi bi
百 战 百 胜
bai zhan bai sheng

or

Know yourself, Know your opponent
A hundred battles, a hundred victory.

Understand the enemy we are facing all over the world – Covid19
See the face of the enemy Covid19
See the ways your involvement in this fight is so critical and important to yourself.
One of the best video I seen on Covid19

 

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[Tam]

As I said before, COVID19 is a global crisis. The world can not recover if a country as large and important as the US continue to have a rampant and uncontrolled outbreak. Sooner or later that outbreak will spread right back to the rest of the world.

As such, China should offer America state assistance (charged at fair market value). If Trump rejects it, China should make the same offer to all US state governors.

Trump already talked about with Xi, assigned Jared to start buying and getting medical supplies from China. US governors and states are ordering ventilators from China separately. New York has an order of 15,000 ventilators alone.

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Elon Musk ships more than 1200 ventilators from China to the US.

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[solarz]

As I said before, COVID19 is a global crisis. The world can not recover if a country as large and important as the US continue to have a rampant and uncontrolled outbreak. Sooner or later that outbreak will spread right back to the rest of the world.

As such, China should offer America state assistance (charged at fair market value). If Trump rejects it, China should make the same offer to all US state governors.

I agree completely, now is not the time to be playing political games.

As Abe Lincoln said, you can't fool all the people all the time. Sooner or later people will see the truth.