Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


supercat

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This urn thing is the third conspiracy theory I heard regarding Wuhan's death toll. The first one was the "rise in sulfur dioxide", which has been debunked and no one mentions it anymore.

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The second one was the cancellation of mobile subscriptions. The Chinese economy was hit hard in the first quarter. So it's entirely possible that millions, or tens of millions, subscriptions, especially business subscriptions, were cancelled among the 1.6 billion mobile subscriptions in China. Please do not tell me all of these cancellations occurred in the Wuhan area. That would sound like total BS.

Now this urn thing - why anyone would believe a twitter message with a photo nobody knows when and where it was taken is beyond me. If anyone has better data, show those to us.

Situation in the New York Metropolitan area, on Mar. 29 at 4:00 pm EDT:

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Situation in the US on Mar. 29 at 8:00 pm EDT:

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On Mar. 29, excluding Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, there are 1 domestic new case and 30 imported ones in China. There are 17 new suspected cases, all imported (chart 1). There are 4 deaths nationwide, all in Wuhan, Hubei (chart 2). There are 75,770 cured cases and 2,396 existing cases (chart 3). Cases in Hong Kong continue to rise (chart 4).

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Hendrik_2000

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The air bridge from China just landed with much needed medical supply When life at stake people should set aside differences and work to alleviate the suffering

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White House-led airlift of urgently needed medical supplies arrives in New York

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A planeload of desperately needed medical supplies arrived in New York from China on Sunday, the first in a series of flights over the next 30 days organized by the White House to help fight the coronavirus, a White House official said.

A commercial carrier landed at John F. Kennedy airport carrying gloves, gowns and masks for distribution in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, three hard-hit states battling to care for a crush of coronavirus patients.
The airlift is a product of a team led by White House senior adviser Jared Kushner, which formed “Project Airbridge,” a partnership between large U.S. healthcare distributors such as McKesson Corp, Cardinal, Owens & Minor, Medline and Henry Schein Inc, and the federal government
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Representatives of those companies were to attend a White House meeting later on Sunday with President Donald Trump to discuss the effort, the official said.
The goal is to expedite the arrival of critical medical supplies purchased by the companies over the next 30 days, using planes instead of ships to reduce the shipping time.
“At President Trump’s direction we formed an unprecedented public-private partnership to ensure that massive amounts of masks, gear and other PPE will be brought to the United States immediately to better equip our health care workers on the front lines and to better serve the American people,” Kushner said in a statement.

Trump, accused of initially playing down the threat from the virus, has been searching for supplies to fill the mounting need for equipment to protect healthcare workers caring for COVID-19 patients.
Medical workers across the country are clamoring for equipment to protect themselves from infection as they deal with the flood of virus victims.
The first plane, funded by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, carried 130,000 N-95 masks; nearly 1.8 million surgical masks and gowns, more than 10.3 million gloves; and more than 70,000 thermometers.
FEMA will distribute most of the supplies to New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut with the rest going to nursing homes in the area and other high-risk areas across the country.


FILE PHOTO: FDNY Emergency Medical Technicians (EMT) secure a patient that was identified to have coronavirus disease (COVID-19) into an ambulance while wearing protective gear, as the outbreak of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) continues, in New York City, New York, U.S., March 24, 2020. REUTERS/Stefan Jeremiah/File Photo
The flight from Shanghai, China, was the first of about 20 flights to arrive between now and early April, the official said. Additional flights will carry similar gear from China, Malaysia and Vietnam, the official said.
“It will be allocated based on need,” the White House official said.
Involved in the effort are the FEMA transportation task force as well as officials at both the U.S. embassy in China as well as the State Department’s East-Asia Pacific team, the official said.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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When life at stake people should set aside differences and work to alleviate the suffering
No. It is always time to humiliate your enemy and get one over on him. The Chinese government is unfortunately wasting a splendid opportunity to do just that. China just looks like a common OEM supplier in this situation, a footnote, a bit player. Here's how it should have been handled:
  1. No mask or medical equipment exports to the US as there would be under normal conditions. This is not to be handled as a regular business transaction.
  2. The US government can most humbly request assistance and pay appropriate tribute to China.
  3. China - with magnanimity and grace - will of course accept the US's humble plea for charity and fly the required medical assistance to America on Y-20 transports, with several camera crews waiting at JFK to take copious footage.
 
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You do have a point here. New Zealand have very little infection and only one know death as of today, but one of the first country to act quickely with strict lockdown rules and implementing it without problems. Acting before it get out of control.
There is little problems in NZ with strick lock-down because the government pay all workers that affected, $585.80 per week for full time employee and $350 a week for part-time workers (fewer than 20 hours).

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No. It is always time to humiliate your enemy and get one over on him. The Chinese government is unfortunately wasting a splendid opportunity to do just that. China just looks like a common OEM supplier in this situation, a footnote, a bit player. Here's how it should have been handled:
  1. No mask or medical equipment exports to the US as there would be under normal conditions. This is not to be handled as a regular business transaction.
  2. The US government can most humbly request assistance and pay appropriate tribute to China.
  3. China - with magnanimity and grace - will of course accept the US's humble plea for charity and fly the required medical assistance to America on Y-20 transports, with several camera crews waiting at JFK to take copious footage.
With the way the current US administration is behaving, I completely understand how you feel, however, the world is watching and never has China's global leadership role been more strongly felt. Other nations want to see if China will become a benevolent, kind, and forgiving leader with a love for humanity or if it will become a vengeful and dark master who humiliates rivals and makes them grovel for their missteps before taking its boot off their neck. The latter type don't usually stay for long even if they manage to get to the top.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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With the way the current US administration is behaving, I completely understand how you feel, however, the world is watching and never has China's global leadership role been more strongly felt. Other nations want to see if China will become a benevolent, kind, and forgiving leader with a love for humanity or if it will become a vengeful and dark master who humiliates rivals and makes them grovel for their missteps before taking its boot off their neck. The latter type don't usually stay for long even if they manage to get to the top.
I know this is off topic and all, but I absolutely disagree. After the Western nations get all of the free supplies they want and maybe cure the virus, they will immediately start attacking China on every political and economic level. Remember how their people reacted to the initial outbreak of COVID 19 in Wuhan? A huge chunk of their populaces laughed and discriminated, ridiculed, and attacked anybody who looked remotely Chinese online or in person. They have no sympathy and act like they are untouchable and superior. Now that the virus reached their homelands and is killing them thanks to their incompetence on every level of society and culture, they all blame China for "not telling them soon enough" EVEN THOUGH the Chinese reported this in December and bought everyone more than two months to prepare at the cost of their own lives. The Chinese must be selective on who they rescue and how they will do so AND must find out the root of this virus. I know there are some who do not harbor such disgusting personalities and I feel extremely sorry for them. However, this must be done to make sure that the West will always remember who saved them. Otherwise, the help will be taken for granted and the viciousness of their attacks will restart.
 
I know this is off topic and all, but I absolutely disagree. After the Western nations get all of the free supplies they want and maybe cure the virus, they will immediately start attacking China on every political and economic level. Remember how their people reacted to the initial outbreak of COVID 19 in Wuhan? A huge chunk of their populaces laughed and discriminated, ridiculed, and attacked anybody who looked remotely Chinese online or in person. Now that the virus reached their homelands and is killing them thanks to their incompetence on every level of society and culture, they all blame China for "not telling them soon enough" EVEN THOUGH the Chinese reported this in December and bought everyone more than two months to prepare at the cost of their own lives. The Chinese must be selective on who they rescue and how they will do so AND must find out the root of this virus. I know there are some who do not harbor such disgusting personalities and I feel extremely sorry for them. However, this must be done to make sure that the West will always remember who saved them. Otherwise, the help will be taken for granted and the viciousness of their attacks will restart.
Who is "they all?" Do not confuse the US with Western countries in general. Only the US wants to blame China; the rest of the countries at the G7 blocked America's attempt to do so even in China's absence. Having the G6 stand up to the US to defend China is something I never considered a possibility a few years ago. And even before the virus struck, Europe had already frayed from America's economic attack on China. Now, many European leaders are thanking China and humbled by the effectiveness of China's actions compared to their own even though they had much more warning time. This is opening their minds to the possibility that their system is not automatically the better than China's, which is what they always assumed to be true and strove to prove day-in and day-out before. Although I too have always envisioned the EU standing with America and China needing to overcome both to become the world's premier power, I wouldn't be close-minded to other, more savory possibilities as they take shape.

This virus may seem like the sky is falling now, but it will be over in a few months and every country will survive it and every country will go back to normal. China can be as ugly or as noble as it sees fit (and perhaps sometimes, ugliness is deserved) but no one is going to be finished off by this virus regardless of how China behaves. What will ultimately be left behind in people's minds as the legacy to the COVID-19 chapter is either China's leadership in a time of crisis or its opportunistic vengeful ugliness.
 
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