Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


Doesn't work like that.

Read whats happened in eastern europe after Gorbatsov let the monkeys to grab the power.

Everything was in place, only the (information) connection damaged between the countries.

Enough to collapse the economy, the level of living and to take 20 years to recover (25 for Poland ).
Well, the economy in the Soviets already collapsed even before the disintegration. In fact, the economic downfall was one of the main reasons for the collapse of the Soviets. The only difference was that the world finally saw what's happened behind the iron curtain. The current world economy is a very different story.


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There is a scene very touching.

In E' zhou city, medical team from Guizhou Province, had their missiom accomplished, was on their way home.
When their bus passed the street, an old man holding a national flag moved out from crowds.

He kneeled to the bus, then put his forehead to ground, again and again.

People were curious about his strong emotion. Later they knew that his 11 family members were Covid-19 patients, 3 had turned to severe sickness. He was literally the last one standing of his entire family.

Guizhou medical team cured them all, for free.

When the disease almost brought this man to his knee, the medical team brought lives to his family, the nation charged him nothing for that.
Therefore, fully on his own willingness, he paid the highest respect to the saviors of his family.


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Situation in the U.S. on Mar. 26 at 8:00 pm EDT:

Data for Mar. 26 are preliminary and are subject to change.



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On Mar. 26, excluding Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, there are 54 imported cases and 1 domestic case. There are 4 deaths, all in Hubei province (table 1).

There is no new confirmed or suspected case in Hubei (table 2).

There are 595 imported cases in total.

Table 1:

Table 2:

Table 3:


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On Mar. 26, excluding Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, there are 74,588 cured cases and 3,460 existing cases. There are 81,340 cumulative cases (chart 4).

Chart 1:

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Chart 3:

Chart 4:


And now already "America first" ... what a tragedy. :oops: :eek:

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Economy or controlling the virus, a very difficult choice for leaders but Trump wants everybody to go back to work.

A friend posts on Facebook "You have two choices; rest in house or rest in peace". I'd say if you carry the virus and walk around, you might end up in "pieces".


This bug has been circulated earlier undetected probably in last quarter of 2019

Italian scientists investigate possible earlier emergence of coronavirus
By Emilio Parodi and Silvia Aloisi
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March 26, 2020, 10:11 AM CDT

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By Emilio Parodi and Silvia Aloisi

MILAN (Reuters) - Italian researchers are looking at whether a higher than usual number of cases of severe pneumonia and flu in Lombardy in the last quarter of 2019 may be a signal that the new coronavirus might have spread beyond China earlier than previously thought.

Adriano Decarli, an epidemiologist and medical statistics professor at the University of Milan, said there had been a "significant" increase in the number of people hospitalized for pneumonia and flu in the areas of Milan and Lodi between October and December last year.

He told Reuters he could not give exact figures but "hundreds" more people than usual had been taken to hospital in the last three months of 2019 in those areas - two of Lombardy's worst hit cities - with pneumonia and flu-like symptoms, and some of those had died.

Decarli is reviewing the hospital records and other clinical details of those cases, including people who later died at home, to try to understand whether the new coronavirus epidemic had already spread to Italy back then.
"We want to know if the virus was already here in Italy at the end of 2019, and - if yes - why it remained undetected for a relatively long period so that we could have a clearer picture in case we have to face a second wave of the epidemic," he said.

The World Health Organization has said the new coronavirus and COVID-19, the respiratory disease it causes, were unknown before the outbreak was first reported in Wuhan, in central China, in December.
Decarli said once his research was concluded, local health authorities might decide to request authorisation to exhume bodies of people with suspect symptoms.
Other experts cast doubt on the hypothesis that the new virus could have been circulating in Europe before the end of 2019.

"I think it extremely unlikely that the virus was present in Europe before January," said Paul Hunter, a professor in medicine at Britain's University of East Anglia who has been tracking the evolving pandemic.
Hunter said that unless Italian scientists get positive results from samples taken and stored at that time, then the suggestion should not be given credence.

He added that, given what we know about how infectious the virus is, and the ratio of patients showing no symptoms compared with those that get sick, "it is inconceivable that we would not have had a pretty major epidemic in Europe much earlier if these cases had in fact been COVID-19".

Italy, which now has the highest number of COVID-19 deaths in the world, recorded its first case of infection on Feb. 21, though some scientists think the virus began circulating in the country at least a month earlier.
"The virus was already here in the second half of January," said Massimo Galli, head of the infectious disease unit at Milan's Sacco hospital and a professor at the department of biomedical and clinical sciences at the University of Milan.

He said, however, that the probability of the virus circulating in Italy before January was "very low".
Giuseppe Remuzzi, director of the Mario Negri Institute for Pharmacological Research, in Milan, said some family doctors in Lombardy had reported unusual cases of pneumonia late last year that now looked potentially suspicious.
He said among those were several cases of bilateral pneumonia - which means both lungs are affected - in the areas of Gera D'Adda and Crema in late November and December, with high fever, cough, fatigue and difficulty breathing.


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Totally agree. This is a black swan event and weak companies will die and the strong will survive. Companies with strong balance sheets will take this opportunity to take over small players and expand.

Lack of savings or too aggression expansion of companies that got shocked by this can learn a lesson.

For small mom and pop shops, I feel for them, but again, they shouldn't have too much expenditures right now either.
It's kinda absurd and bit scary how some people mention other people so cynically. I assume this is the cultural product of massive neoliberal exposure. Let me remind you that people are not robots to pause their actions and then press continue and everything is ok. They have their own beliefs, experiences and questions. I question my self for example how the lock down, the fear of pandemic and the whole situation could psychologically affect me and billions of people lets say to our consuming habits and behaviour, or political you suppose that it will be the same as before ? Lets wait and see

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I have to state the obvious which is my perception is affected by my environment

(= the country under a partial lockdown that is enforced),

so I understand somebody who lives in a completely different environment

(= a country where no countermeasures are enforced)

may have a completely different perception,

and personally I wouldn't try to say who's right or wrong, because I don't know that (only God knows that);

now, after a much longer chunk I normally write, I say briefly this:

the US approach is 'business first' while in Central Europe it's 'preventing deaths first'

(and many people are scared -- in a minute I'll post about a survey of what people in Poland say they do during a partial lockdown),

and I pray both will work
I agree with Jura that the White House and the Congress are taking a mainly "business first" approach. However, if you look around the US, the governors and the county and city officials are taking a "prevent deaths first" approach, hence all the stay-at-home and shelter-in-place orders covering over half of the US population. The governors, in their daily briefings, talk very little about the economic impact to their state, but keep using terms like flatten the curve and cannot allow our hospital system to be overwhelmed etc. So the US is in fact taking a hybrid approach, and let us hope it will work.

Now for China. Initially, the Mayor of Wuhan and Governor of Hubei took a "business first" approach and tried to suppress the information so as not to impact the economy (and their career). When words got to Beijing, Xi decided to take a "prevent death first" (using your term) approach and, to hell with the economy, locked down Hubei and implement other drastic actions across the entire country, and threw the country's resources into fighting the virus spread. Only now the country is starting to address the economic impact of the Covid-19. How much damage it has done remains to be seen. But most economist forecasts are not pretty.


See China does not take advantage of disaster instead of gloating,She work 24/7 to fulfill order regardless of nations. All hand on deck they even rope in management to do packing and other menial job .China is self sufficient in every component she does not to import. They have 5 manufacturers ofthis life saving device
Contrast this with effort to strangle China in electronic
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Ventilators 'Created in China' to help the world breathe easy
By ZHENG YIRAN in Beijing and PEI PEI in Shenzhen, Guangdong | China Daily | Updated: 2020-03-27 09:03

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Employees work on the production line of a ventilator manufacturing company in Shenyang, capital of Liaoning province. [Photo/Xinhua]
Ventilator manufacturers from China are toiling day and night to meet the growing demand for their products, as healthcare workers from across the world search for effective solutions to prevent and cure the novel coronavirus outbreak.
Demand has been such that companies have even started roping in front line executives to help in the various stages of production and shipment.

At a ventilator manufacturing plant in Shenzhen, Guangdong province, Wang Rui, a public relations manager is busy packing newly assembled ventilators for shipment to Europe. Though she has no prior experience on the packing line, Wang is one the several volunteers the company is using to meet the growing demand from hospitals across Europe and the United States.

Ventilators help patients to breathe when they are unable to do so on their own due to critical illness. Very often, they can make the difference between life and death for a patient.
Currently, the supply of medical equipment, especially ventilators, across Europe has been worrisome. Traditional supplies account for just 10 percent of the demand, as most European countries have limited medical equipment stocks, and face constraints in improving the production capacity, said a statement from the European Commission.
Without quick imports, the member countries will face an increasingly serious shortage of basic medical equipment, the statement said.

On March 19, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, one of the US states severely affected by the epidemic, said that the state was facing a shortage of over 30,000 ventilators. To tackle the problem, the state has already sent representatives to China to purchase 15,000 ventilators.
"Overseas ventilator orders have been soaring. The orders are mainly from Europe. In early March, we received an order for nearly 10,000 pieces of medical equipment, mainly ventilators and monitors, from Italy. The goods have already been shipped and we expect the entire order to be completed by the middle of April," said May Li, a
senior executive of medical equipment manufacturer Mindray.

"The company has a relatively localized layout, such as in operations, sales, and after-sales, in the overseas markets. Only a small amount of our raw materials comes from overseas markets, which we have already sourced, and we have also found alternatives to them. In addition, with the increasing production capacity and the improvement of the situation in China, we see no problem in timely product deliveries," Li said.
Li Kai, assistant to the chairman of Beijing Aeonmed Co Ltd, an anesthesia and respiratory medical equipment enterprise, said: "Our plants are working around the clock to increase production capacity as we have received orders from several countries," he said.

He said the earlier demand for ventilators, which are normally used in the intensive care units (ICUs) of hospitals, was not that high. Due to the surging demand, the company has been working frenetically to increase production capacity.
According to a report issued by market research consultancy Wismar, the top five Chinese ventilator brands are Mindray, Aeonmed, Comen, Amoul and Superstar.
During the first six months of last year, China exported respiratory medical equipment to 166 countries and regions. In value terms, it was $360 million, up 8.41 percent on a yearly basis, said the report.

Li Xingqian, director-general of the Department of Foreign Trade at the Ministry of Commerce, said during a recent news conference that after the epidemic outbreak, China has not imposed any ban on medical material and equipment exports.
"Chinese medical enterprises are shouldering the responsibilities of helping the world fight the virus. Regardless of profits, the world needs us," Li from Aeonmed said

Zhang Xun, a ventilator industry expert, said: "Chinese enterprises have completed the transformation from 'Made in China' to 'Created in China' and become an integral part of the global respiratory product market."
In the fight against the epidemic, Chinese medical equipment has not only met domestic demand, but also served the international community with aplomb, he said.