Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Hendrik_2000

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Now for China. Initially, the Mayor of Wuhan and Governor of Hubei took a "business first" approach and tried to suppress the information so as not to impact the economy (and their career). When words got to Beijing, Xi decided to take a "prevent death first" (using your term) approach and, to hell with the economy, locked down Hubei and implement other drastic actions across the entire country, and threw the country's resources into fighting the virus spread. Only now the country is starting to address the economic impact of the Covid-19. How much damage it has done remains to be seen. But most economist forecasts are not pretty.

I am not so sure that is true there is only lapses of 2 weeks and dont forget they are not so sure waht hit them and only 2 or 3 it is hard to say that the virus is transmitted by human contact But once they get proof that it spread thru contact they activate the ban So the western media is slandering China Read my article few pages back !
And making excuses for their own negligence Afterall they have 2 months to prepare and they do nothing YUP ZIP!
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China covered up whether it was human-to-human transmissible

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quoting the New England Medical Journal is frequently used as evidence that China covered up information about its transmissibility. The journal states that “there is evidence that human-to-human transmission has occurred among close contacts since the middle of December 2019.”

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quoting Lancet presents two cases of human-to-human transmission before January 20. One is the wife of the first person who died. The other is a family in Shenzhen.

Yes, both China and WHO knew about these cases and did not declare the virus was human-to-human transmissible at the time.
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That is because “limited human-to-human transmission between close contacts” is not the same as declaring it “human-to-human transmissible”. For it to be officially declared “human-to-human transmissible” there had to be evidence of sustained human-to-human transmission.
It was only when there was widespread infection to medical staff on the 20th of January that there was sufficient evidence to declare it was “human-to-human transmissible”.
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Rettam Stacf

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I am not so sure that is true there is only lapses of 2 weeks and dont forget they are not so sure waht hit them and only 2 or 3 it is hard to say that the virus is transmitted by human contact But once they get proof that it spread thru contact they activate the ban So the western media is slandering China Read my article few pages back !
And making excuses for their own negligence Afterall they have 2 months to prepare and they do nothing YUP ZIP!
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China covered up whether it was human-to-human transmissible

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quoting the New England Medical Journal is frequently used as evidence that China covered up information about its transmissibility. The journal states that “there is evidence that human-to-human transmission has occurred among close contacts since the middle of December 2019.”

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quoting Lancet presents two cases of human-to-human transmission before January 20. One is the wife of the first person who died. The other is a family in Shenzhen.

Yes, both China and WHO knew about these cases and did not declare the virus was human-to-human transmissible at the time.
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That is because “limited human-to-human transmission between close contacts” is not the same as declaring it “human-to-human transmissible”. For it to be officially declared “human-to-human transmissible” there had to be evidence of sustained human-to-human transmission.
It was only when there was widespread infection to medical staff on the 20th of January that there was sufficient evidence to declare it was “human-to-human transmissible”.
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I am neither making excuses for Trump nor am I denying that mistakes were not made. But this is my view of what is happening in the US right now. At times, it seems so chaotic and uncoordinated. But that is the way how the US government is run.

When election time come along in November, I am sure there will be a big argument on who saved the country, if the US is able to come out of this epidemic and begin the recovery process. But that is politics and we are not suppose to talk about it here.
 
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Equation

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I am neither making excuses for Trump nor am I denying that mistakes were not made. But this is my view of what is happening in the US right now. At times, it seems so chaotic and uncoordinated. But that is the way how the US government is run.

When election time come along in November, I am sure there will be a big argument on who saved the country, if the US is able to come out of this epidemic and begin the recovery process. But that is politics and we are not suppose to talk about it here.
Either way the US handling of this Corona virus pandemic is beyond FUBAR (f..ed/fouled Up Beyond All Recognition). As the situation continues to peek and getting worse, the Trump administration along with some of the MSM will continue to point fingers, blame, distract, and manipulate truths by all means to save face. Oh the irony.
 

supersnoop

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Without actual data, it is difficult to get a handle on this, but perhaps people with better knowledge of epidemiology can critique my theory...

Scientists in China have backtraced the earliest Covid case to November, no connection to the seafood market. Doctors in Italy now suspect there may have also been some cases in November, all would predate the official identification of Covid.

Wuhan was in lockdown by end of January and the virus spread was quickly halted within China. Wuhan cases continued to grow for the next couple weeks before getting under control. South Korea and Singapore also had numerous cases start to grow at this time, but also got a handle on it within weeks.

The situation in Europe is almost a full month removed from the lockdown and is now in the growth phase. US is about 6 weeks from the lockdown time and now in the rapid growth phase.

Italy and US were early in restricting China travel, and it seemed to work for a while, but the containment failed. Yet, regions in Asia which probably have more connection to Wuhan were able to do so with the lockdown in place.

Would this imply that there are areas with heavy infection that are being missed due to the tunnel vision of concentrating on Wuhan?

How possible could have started somewhere in the Middle East such as Iran, heavily infected, but we still have no idea how bad it actually is?
 
Either way the US handling of this Corona virus pandemic is beyond FUBAR (f..ed/fouled Up Beyond All Recognition). As the situation continues to peek and getting worse, the Trump administration along with some of the MSM will continue to point fingers, blame, distract, and manipulate truths by all means to save face. Oh the irony.

I do not entirely agree but I can respect your observation and opinion. Hope we all can reciprocate and thank you. Sincerely.
 
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it's ironic Mods deleted my repost of an SCMP article (when I slept, meaning tonight LOL), but I see several occurrences of "Trump" in this page

I'm saying it's ironic, is all
 
hoping FoxNews won't get deleted (recently even that happened to me, LOL) am linking kind of strange story of
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it's strange because there's no word about ENFORCING anything, for instance here's my previous comment
not sure how a Governor of, say, California, can stop someone from, say, Arizona, who is sick with the coronavirus, to drive to California and spread the virus there

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meaning how could he prevent infected people from arriving?? as far as I know he can't (the same for infected people from New York leaving to spread the disease)
 
Ops. Xi Jinping again plus President of the United States of America, Donald J Trump. Please note I removed the insensitive president part from Xi Jinping. Better so that this thread does not get closed.

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