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Colonel
I've now probably experienced a reading comprehension problem:

at
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25 March 01:00 gmt — The outbreak in Italy went undetected for weeks

begins with

"The novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 was present in northern Italy as early as 1 January."

and later links

The early phase of the COVID-19 outbreak in Lombardy, Italy
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so I opened the PDF document
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but couldn't quickly find inside (after jumping what's found using Ctrl+F January)

a backup of "The novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 was present in northern Italy as early as 1 January." claim,

but it's nature.com making that claim
If you go to their Figure 1 (showing the number of COVID-19 cases as a function of dates) and Figure 3 last panel for Lombardy (showing Rt values as a function of time), you will see the confirmed cases and signs of transmission in early Jan.
 

KYli

Junior Member
It is tough for Chinese restaurants owners even for take out and delivery. It is good thing that most of them are old school Chinese that have a strong saving habit. But the few that I talked to have said that they don't think they could survive.

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East Village Chinese Restaurants Report Vandalism and Harassment Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

Popular East Village Chinese restaurants report acts of vandalism and attempted robbery after Trump calls COVID-19 the “Chinese virus”

Chinese restaurants in the East Village have been suffering from escalating acts of vandalism and harassment amid the pandemic,
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reports. Gem Bing Shop at St. Marks Place recently had street signage destroyed, and Hunan Slurp said that a man attempted to rob one of their employees out delivering food. A third restaurant reported that someone disguised as a delivery person tried to steal from its basement, according to the publication.


Gem Bing Shop’s founder Xiaoyu Gu tells Bedford and Bowery that the actions may be connected to President Trump’s recent racist references to COVID-19 as the “Chinese Virus.” The president finally acknowledged that he would quit using the term
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, after repeating the stigmatizing words on social media and in press interviews for days.


On Monday, March 23, New York’s attorney general Letitia James
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a hotline for residents to report hate crimes and discrimination after a rise in reports of anti-Asian harassment across the state. Information provided over the hotline could lead to civil investigations.


Chinatowns in Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens have borne the brunt of the pandemic’s assault on restaurants in the city. These businesses were the first to experience steep sales drop-offs and move to temporary closures as news of the virus in Wuhan, China caused customers to avoid those restaurants, even as there was no evidence that Chinese restaurants were unsafe. The first known case of COVID-19 found in New York City stemmed from a person who had previously traveled to Iran.

Survey of nearly 2,000 NYC restaurants shows close to 70,000 people laid off

The NYC Hospitality Alliance, a trade group that represents restaurant and bar owners in the city, released a survey on Wednesday, March 25 detailing the extent of the past week’s mass industry layoffs. In the survey, 1,870 restaurants, bars, and nightclubs reported laying off or furloughing 67,650 employees in the five days since the state mandated that those businesses could only do takeout and delivery. But that number doesn’t include all NYC restaurants and bars. According to the
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, the city has some 27,000 restaurants, employing
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total.


Andrew Rigie, the executive director of the Alliance, calls the number “devastating,” and says that new government policies must be enacted swiftly to counteract the extreme blow to the industry’s economy. The group is lobbying local government to put a cap on delivery fees, get pandemic coverage added to business interruption insurance policies, and more.


Across the U.S., over three million people filed for unemployment benefits last week, according to the
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. That’s the highest amount that the country has ever seen in one week, the New York Times
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. In the 50 years that the government has tracked application data, the previous worst week was in October 1982, when 695,000 people filed to claim unemployment benefits.
 
If you go to their Figure 1 (showing the number of COVID-19 cases as a function of dates) and Figure 3 last panel for Lombardy (showing Rt values as a function of time), you will see the confirmed cases and signs of transmission in early Jan.
in Figure 1 (abscissa is "Date of symptom onset", ordinate is "Number of confirmed COVID−19 cases") I see a tiny bar at "01/01/20" indeed
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
to me it's incomprehensible what's going on in the US I mean nothing is done in the US to stop the virus so citizens are dying by hundreds daily
most of those have been NYC cases. Which skew the numbers.
farther more the deaths related to pneumonia’s often sit in those numbers.
there's a partial lockdown here (cops catching those who'd gather in parks, who wouldn't wear a face cover, etc.),
there's a partial lockdown here (cops catching those who'd gather in parks, who wouldn't wear a face cover, etc.),
now 22 600 tested, 1 654 positive, 6 killed, only 10 recovered (the numbers in bold will get updated at 9 am),
and the government announced a more strict lockdown would follow it there're 10k infected
The States decide how to react. However even then it’s not entirely clear cut. California is on a Lock down as is Massachusetts, Washington state and New York State. But in the case of NY most of the cases are in NYC not the more rural upstate.
California again it’s mostly centered in the cities LA county and the Bay Area has a hugely dense population almost like a mega city.
in Washington state it’s centered to in King county.
as such most of the rest just have a handful of cases. Lockdown orders impose huge penalties of economic hardships. They can make matters worse as if you can’t get food or basic functions you bring in worse issues.
The cure is worse than the disease.
California has had over a third of the unemployment claims thus far as nonessential business closed.
thats destructive.
The company I work for has recently responded by cutting a shift from my work place. My shift in fact as such I am burning vacation time to make up for it and using some of my savings. I am not happy about that. But that’s what a lock down does.
 

Hendrik_2000

Brigadier
Heart felt thanks from the people
Farewell to our unsung heroes! A woman chased a bus to wave goodbye to a medical assistance team departing Hubei Province, while many others lined up on the streets to express their gratitude for them and show their respects


A good documentary how is life in shelter hospital moving. Those victim is not just number they are real people made of flesh and blood
 
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KYli

Junior Member
Too many imported cases, it is long overdue.
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China to temporarily bar entry of foreigners to stop spread of coronavirus

China will temporarily suspend entry for foreign nationals with visas or residence permits beginning at midnight on March 28 in an effort to stop the spread of the coronavirus, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
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Thursday.

Why it matters: It's a sign that China, where the coronavirus outbreak originated, is seeking to curb the number of imported cases in order to stop its epidemic from flaring up again. Diplomatic visas will not be affected.

What they're saying:

"The suspension is a temporary measure that China is compelled to take in light of the outbreak situation and the practices of other countries. China will stay in close touch with all sides and properly handle personnel exchanges with the rest of the world under the special circumstances. The above-mentioned measures will be calibrated in light of the evolving situation and announced accordingly."
— Ministry of Foreign Affairs
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
First of all, let me just say that I strongly disagree with this article. I am deeply disappointed that a virologist would say these nonsense things. Literally nonsense.

The central theme of this article is that the downturn of an epidemic requires at least 70% of its population infected to achieve a herd immunity. China's infection rate is far below that. Therefore, their data is faked.

OK, in the US, everyone is now talking about "flattening the curve", which means decreasing the amount of people getting infected. If successful, everyone hopes that the percentage infected will be well below 70%. When that happens, does that mean the US has faked our data too?

Virtually all infected regions in the world have implemented some sort of isolation protocol in an attempt to "flatten the curve" and prevent the nightmarish 70% infection rate from happening. Does that mean every country is in the middle of trying to fake data?

The herd immunity of 70% infection rate is based on a single premise: nobody does anything to interfere with the natural progression of a virus. By the time ~70% of the population is infected, the virus will slowly die off because vast majority of the population has acquired antibodies and immunity. The UK tried to claim to do this a few weeks ago, and was hugely criticized by its own people and ridiculed by everyone else in the world. They have since changed their policies to more proactively prevent this nightmare from happening.

The China puzzle, claimed by the article, is actually very simple to solve: their "draconian" measures to isolate the infected population and the virus. Every other country is trying to do similar things, accepting that what the Chinese have done is effective and valid. With various methods to interfere with the natural course of the virus, it is very easy to understand how China's number is well below the 70% mark. As a matter of fact, at this point, no one in their right mind would predict the infection rate of any country would go even near 70%.

Further, the authors say "All diseased are infected, the reverse is not true. Not all infected are sick or tested. Hence, information from China is unhelpful to confidently project the probabilities/proportions that will get infected; get COVID-19 symptoms; develop pneumonia; die." Well, how do they propose to find out the number of infected people who are not sick in any country? In the US as of today, you will have to show symptoms, not just one symptom but ALL major symptoms, in order to get tested. In Texas, we have been told to call the hospitals first and conduct phone interviews. Only when your symptoms meet all the criteria, you will be issued a code. You will need this code to get tested. If you go to a testing site without a code, you will be turned away even if you suspect that you have the virus. So how do they suppose we will find out how many infected-but-not-sick people in the US, or any other country?

If this article has been written by a regular journalist, I would be willing to give them some benefit of the doubt. However, one of the authors was a virologist. He should know better. In fact, I am sure that he knows better. When virtually everyone in the world knows that various intervention methods implemented by the governments have been intended to keep the infection rate to the lowest possible, a professional virologist claims that anything less than the worse case scenario of 70% infection rate would be lying???

Lastly, if you compare the progression of the virus in China and elsewhere in the world, you will see that China's curves, time line, exponential growth rates, fatality, etc, match those of the vast majority of the countries. Since China experienced the outbreak first and has generated these curves before anyone else, they would have to travel to the future to learn how everyone else will be doing and fake their own numbers to match others'.

My 2-cents
Or the entire Indian medical system is broken.
 

2handedswordsman

Junior Member
Registered Member
The cure is worse than the disease.
It's funny to say , but the only viable solution aftermath, is turning economy to planned or socialist, drive the unemployed to other sectors, and generically speaking continue the production of sectors that are going to be destroyed or..."non proftitable" for owners but are in need by the people. IMHO , many bussinesses are going to be under state control to keep on running in many countries. China is already one step beyond to this
 

Phoenix_Rising

Junior Member
Heart felt thanks from the people
Farewell to our unsung heroes! A woman chased a bus to wave goodbye to a medical assistance team departing Hubei Province, while many others lined up on the streets to express their gratitude for them and show their respects


A good documentary how is life in shelter hospital moving. Those victim is not just number they are real people made of flesh and blood

There is a scene very touching.

In E' zhou city, medical team from Guizhou Province, had their missiom accomplished, was on their way home.
When their bus passed the street, an old man holding a national flag moved out from crowds.

He kneeled to the bus, then put his forehead to ground, again and again.

People were curious about his strong emotion. Later they knew that his 11 family members were Covid-19 patients, 3 had turned to severe sickness. He was literally the last one standing of his entire family.

Guizhou medical team cured them all, for free.

When the disease almost brought this man to his knee, the medical team brought lives to his family, the nation charged him nothing for that.
Therefore, fully on his own willingness, he paid the highest respect to the saviors of his family.
 

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