Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


vesicles

Colonel
Then it is makes tracing the source difficult as more people gets infected. Thank you for replying from a reliable source.
My vet takes takes blood sample to count my dogs rabies antibody. guess that is not good enough,
If they have access to blood/fluid samples that they've collected back in September, October, November of 2019 and been able to detect antibodies/viral particles in these samples, that would be better evidence. So far, the epidemiological/genomic analyses of the viral samples collected around the world still point to Wuhan as one of the originating locations. We will have to wait for possible analysis of earlier samples, such as those collected from the electronic cigarette patients back in October/November, 2019. So far, we don't have any scientific evidence to point to other locations at this point.

To be honest, if evidence suggests that the COVID-19 came from another country other than China, it would ease a lot of pressure off the Asian American communities around the country... That would include me and my family. We are under a lot of pressure. A huge population of health care professionals in the US is Asian Americans. At our medical school and the associated hospital, >40% of faculty is Asian Americans. Overall in the US, ~17% of all doctors are Asian Americans, the second largest ethnic group after White (56%). We are now facing two enemies: (1) the invisible enemy of the virus, which we are fighting while risking our lives; (2) the very American general public that we are risking our lives to save. At work, we fight the virus. After work, we are under threat from the general public who might attack us for no better reason than our look. The sad thing is that the same people we are trying to save are wanting to hurt us...

This is definitely not a good situation for us and, more importantly, for the patients. Just as our President said the other day, this is a war. And in this war, we the health care professionals are the front line troops. Now, close to 20% of the troops at the front line are under threat from behind, from the very people they are trying to defend. This is insane! We are trying to save you! Help us focus on our work so that we can save lives. Don't distract us! Don't shoot us in the back! Don't shoot us in the back!
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
Honestly, this will get the thread locked again. That is the point of my post. Mod has allowed some slight leeway, but there is already a very wild post above. There is a lot of credible doubt about the origins already, some possible cases in Italy as early as November. All theories warrant investigation, but until more is known, let's try to keep the speculation/spectacular news to a minimum. If some additional news with regards to this theory is revealed, then I think we would have no issue with posting it. However, if it's just repeating the same things with no evidence, then it's just inflammatory. Even Trump backed off using "Chinese virus" for now!





Mass testing and masks are only a couple small tools. It isn't emphasized enough that cell phone tracking and actual law enforcement officers are being used in Korea and Singapore. They don't have a problem with "violating civil liberties", because in these countries, violators are seen as violating everyone else's "civil liberties".
YES, sadly it likely will, but thank you for your effort to "self police" this thread, so to you rumour mongers, STOP NOW: Do not respond to this moderation:
 

Rettam Stacf

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The only reliable way to determine if the coronavirus is man made is through genetic study of the virus itself and NOT by circumstantial evidence. So far, results from scientific studies strongly debunk the virus being genetically engineered.

As early as mid February, a group of scientists studying the virus at Columbia University, U of Sydney and the Scripps Institute published a study report against the man-made theory.

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Below are more up-to-date reports on the ongoing study lead by Dr Kristian Anderson of the Scripps Institute, now include additional scientists from Tulane University (US) and University of Edinburgh (UK).

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Can we now lay off the bio-weapon conspiracy theory ?
 

zgx09t

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I might have missed something, but the idea of man-made bio weapon purposefully planted in Wuhan by someone from outside China was not implied. What they are saying is the source. Patient 0 might have gotten it by accident unknowingly due to nature of work they or their close circle of people do and later traveled to Wuhan where the infection took off.
 

Air Force Brat

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The only reliable way to determine if the coronavirus is man made is through genetic study of the virus itself and NOT by circumstantial evidence. So far, results from scientific studies strongly debunk the virus being genetically engineered.

As early as mid February, a group of scientists studying the virus at Columbia University, U of Sydney and the Scripps Institute published a study report against the man-made theory.

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Below are more up-to-date reports on the ongoing study lead by Dr Kristian Anderson of the Scripps Institute, now include additional scientists from Tulane University (US) and University of Edinburgh (UK).

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Can we now lay off the bio-weapon conspiracy theory ?
Absolutely: lets leave the nonsense, SDF is a military forum, and this thread is kept open only as courtesy to members, there are other forums that promote ranting and raging, SDF is NOT one of those... it is however kept open for members such a Vesicles who has legitimate concerns, who alone on this thread has brought medical experience to this discussion: do not respond to this moderation
 

localizer

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Stop talking about bioweapon and origins.

Those are scientific questions and require further studies once things calm down.
 

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