Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


plawolf

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According to the WHO, quarantine alone is not enough. You need to do mass testing so that you can find and break the chains of transmission.

Unfortunately, Canada does not have sufficient testing capacity to do this. Hopefully it's just the bureaucracy ramping up and we will have more testing capacity soon.
It depends very much on how secure and comprehensive your quarantine efforts are.

The WHO is only recommending massed testing because it does not expect many other countries to be able to mount as effective and comprehensive a lockdown as China did.

If you cannot keep everyone quarantined, mass testing allows you to strip out as many infected as possible for focused quarantine.

But reliance on mass testing is at best a second best solution, and potentially ineffective since we know from many case studies that infected could return negative results multiple times while infected.

I think the west’s decision to advice against massed generalised mask usage is a major mistake.

While masks along cannot guarantee you won’t catch the virus, it does reduce the risks of you catching in. But much more importantly, if everyone wears masks at all time’s out in public, the odds and instances of non-symptomatic infected passing on the infection is drastically reduced if they wear masks.

Wearing masks is actually a civic duty as it protects others from you much more than it protects you from others.

Widespread mask wearing is a cheap and effective way to help break the infection chain even if you cannot achieve full comprehensive nationwide quarantine (which not even China has managed to be frank).

Personally I think masks is the most effective low hanging fruit that any nation battling to contain COVID19 outbreaks could pick.

It’s not hard to enforce mandatory mask wearing as anyone with eyes could see if people are doing it or not.

The only thing stopping western governments from doing it is logistics because they don’t have enough masks for that. But that can be remedied very easily through direct resists to China and domestic production.

Disposable masks are hardly cutting edge tech that will be hard to put into production from scratch.

If you combine lockdowns with mandatory mask wearing while in public, I think you can get a good handle on the virus pretty quickly even without SK levels of massed testing.
 

ougoah

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The most convincing fact that this isn't a bioweapon intended to cripple China and launched by some group with animosity towards China, is that the virus is taking huge social and economic tolls on the US as well as many parts of the world regardless of their attitude towards China and authoritarianism or what have you.

If all this is indeed some intentionally set in motion process, then it becomes either a deliberate act against the common people of the entire world or is just a set up to create certain actions on China. A remarkably ambitious false flag on such a grand scale that history ... actually has seen multiple times in the past. Yikes.

Well we already have Trump administration creating a formal organised move to propagandise this whole thing.

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And now not even a week later, there are formal legal processes aimed at holding China financially accountable. Done in two US states so far. I guess China should file formal proceedings on its own long list of due payments too ... starting from Opium War.

So there you have it. Disclaimer is if this is some engineered global ruin, then it is either a huge shake of the chessboard for whatever mysterious elusive reason/s or it's a set up for escalating war between the established superpower and its main rival.

Edit: None of the above is inflammatory or meant as such. These are all facts and well known things:

1. Trump is attributing COVID19 to China and have established formal public groups for this propaganda task to say nothing of covert ones

2. Florida and Texas are trying to "sue" China for damages lol

I have also provided the disclaimer when speculating on the purpose of this IFF it is indeed an intentional, engineered release of a synthesised virus. So I'm not promoting any "conspiracies" or "alternative" theories, just weighing in on very public stuff now.
 
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localizer

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How can we scientifically determine when someone got sick? Is this even possible?
You ask people to come forward, or see they've been to the doctors for flu symptoms. It's the best you can do.

This way we can find the earliest patient at least. Maybe the earliest patient with confirmed antibodies is not in wuhan.



But the problem is that the avg person is stupid and is too afraid to come forward like they're afraid to reveal their travel histories or people they've come in contact with.
 

Dolcevita

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Honestly, this will get the thread locked again. That is the point of my post. Mod has allowed some slight leeway, but there is already a very wild post above. There is a lot of credible doubt about the origins already, some possible cases in Italy as early as November. All theories warrant investigation, but until more is known, let's try to keep the speculation/spectacular news to a minimum. If some additional news with regards to this theory is revealed, then I think we would have no issue with posting it. However, if it's just repeating the same things with no evidence, then it's just inflammatory. Even Trump backed off using "Chinese virus" for now!
Not trying to close the thread. But what cases in Italy are you talking about? Are they being investigated?
If there are credible theories out there, we should be free to have access to those information and not solely rely on MSM to tell us what to believe.
 

ougoah

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You ask people to come forward, or see they've been to the doctors for flu symptoms. It's the best you can do.

This way we can find the earliest patient at least. Maybe the earliest patient with confirmed antibodies is not in wuhan.



But the problem is that the avg person is stupid and is too afraid to come forward like they're afraid to reveal their travel histories or people they've come in contact with.
Do antibodies last that long? Even if they did, I would not think such a search would be possible even if the first infected weren't hiding or being hidden from China, USA, or whoever is looking.
 

Dolcevita

Senior Member
If you detect the presence of antibodies in the blood, you know that this person had contracted the virus before. I don't think it is possible to determine exactly when.
Then it is makes tracing the source difficult as more people gets infected. Thank you for replying from a reliable source.
My vet takes takes blood sample to count my dogs rabies antibody. guess that is not good enough,
 
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Hendrik_2000

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Not trying to close the thread. But what cases in Italy are you talking about? Are they being investigated?
If there are credible theories out there, we should be free to have access to those information and not solely rely on MSM to tell us what to believe.
Here it is An italian Disease expert said in interview with NPR that early in October before Wuhan outbreak people start getting sick with similar symptom like CV
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The article in question,
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on March 19, examined the impact of the current pandemic on Italy’s health care system. What caught the attention of people in China, however, was the final line in the report, where an Italian medical expert called Giuseppe Remuzzi said, citing doctors: “They remember having seen very strange pneumonia, very severe, particularly in old people in December and even November… This means that the virus was circulating, at least in [the northern region of] Lombardy and before we were aware of this outbreak occurring in China.”
 

Jura

General
I'm wondering about the US officials how many Americans would they expect to die; inside
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there're various opinions, but no final number (obviously an estimate at this point, but still)

actually inside there's an interesting observation about US deaths: "... the doubling time seems to be about two-three days."
which I checked, and it's something like (don't nitpick) 30 around March 18 -- 60 around March 21 -- 120 around March 24
 

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