Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Air Force Brat]

Chinese official promoting the idea it's US army want to wuhan during Oct 2019 that transmitted the disease.

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I dig around chinese articles to supporting the idea.
In Wuhan and all other cities the RNA of the virus is believed to be generation 3 virus. But where's the grandparent and parent of the virus??
They cannot be found in China. That make no sense. If the virus originated in China. The first generation virus should exist in China.
People search around, only US has the first and second generation virus. In 2019 the flu pandemic killed alot of people, but CDC later admitted not all death cases are due to the flu. It's possible some of them are actual corona virus death.
Here's what I came up.
Chinese media said the female soldier went to Wuhan named Maateje Benassi, her uncle Matthew worked in a US Biological Weapon Lab in
Fort Detrick. US CDC shut down the lab rumored there's a leak there. China media has reasons to believe the Uncle Matthew got contaminated and passed on to his niece Maateje , and she competed in the Wuhan game. So, Chinese think she is the patient zero in Wuhan!

I did delete your next post, the thread title specifically states no unsubstantiated rumours

Interesting. But how can we credibly and scientifically know if Maateje was infectious? Not conclusive enough. Thank you for effort though.

Is it even traceable?

I'm going to leave your "caveat" here, lets stick to credible/scientific reality, and thank you for reminding posters to do the same!

 

[supersnoop]

Just to further demonstrate how weak the “evidence” of the patient zero theory is

from Global Times itself

His conclusions, although without strong evidence, triggered questions on Chinese social media as it came only days after a petition was submitted to the White House website on March 10 listing some coincidences in time between the Fort Detrick lab's closure and the COVID-19 outbreak.

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[localizer]

I think all this “social distancing” and following non-China East Asia countries is flawed.

Replicating Korea’s actions will not work because Americans don’t have masks. Everyone in Korea, Singapore, and non-mainland territories have masks.


You WILL slip up. All it takes is one exposure to the virus and you will get sick.

Leave the politics out, or we are gonna give some time off!

 

[solarz]

I think all this “social distancing” and following non-China East Asia countries is flawed.

Replicating Korea’s actions will not work because Americans don’t have masks. Everyone in Korea, Singapore, and non-mainland territories have masks.


You WILL slip up. All it takes is one exposure to the virus and you will get sick.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/fohkv6

According to the WHO, quarantine alone is not enough. You need to do mass testing so that you can find and break the chains of transmission.

Unfortunately, Canada does not have sufficient testing capacity to do this. Hopefully it's just the bureaucracy ramping up and we will have more testing capacity soon.

 

[Jura The idiot]

STOP NOW! vacation will follow!

 

[Dolcevita]

Just to further demonstrate how weak the “evidence” of the patient zero theory is

from Global Times itself

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So far the scientific observation are credible enough to warrant further investigation. It is inconclusive only either (a) because their health status and infection record have not been credibly investigated or (b) because their health status and infection record are deliberately being withheld. Is this really that difficult?

Also, Without strong evidence means not conclusive enough and is not same as weak evidence.

 

[localizer]

Well you're not going to find patient zero because there's likely no sample from him/her.

What you can do is do massive antigen testing on people to see who has immunity and when did they get sick.

 

[Dolcevita]

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The United States must surrender 5 special soldiers who were picked up by the special plane after the Wuhan Military Games!

In the United States, you have to surrender 5 special soldiers who were returned by a special plane after the Wuhan Military Games, and let WHO verify the truth!

To find out whether the virus originated in the United States, it is actually very simple. You only need to have the WHO re-examine. The US military sent a special plane from Wuhan to receive whether the five soldiers had the same C family new crown pneumonia as the Wuhan patients. ? !!
Now, the focus of suspicion in Japan, Taiwan, Russia, Germany and other countries is:
1. At the end of October 2019, why did the United States spend large capital to send a special plane to pick up five sick athletes from Wuhan?
2. The performance of the US team was incredible. It scored 0 points and 0 gold medals (133 gold medals for the Chinese team), ranking 35th. Is the 369 soldiers sent by the United States a special group who cannot shoot? Biochemical soldier? The most questionable is why the United States used special planes to take away five sick athletes from Wuhan, because the military games were over at that time. If they were suffering from common diseases, why not wait 2 days and return to the United States with more than 360 soldiers ? Besides, I really want to go home, why not take a regular civil airliner at Wuhan International Airport!
However, if these soldiers are biochemical soldiers who accidentally poisoned themselves when they were poisoned after the military games were over, they must return to the United States before the illness worsens, if they find fever and other symptoms, otherwise, once the Chinese side finds The import is a serious infectious disease. Not only has the American conspiracy been defeated, the Chinese side will quickly close the city, and the US side will also face extremely serious political consequences. Therefore, we must send a special plane as soon as possible to pick them up. One is that their serious illness will cause the Chinese side to be vigilant, and the other is that cross-infection will occur if they return on the same plane with other 360 US soldiers. Now, the United States is required to surrender the five American soldiers and check whether they have suffered the same C family virus as the Wuhan patients.
The problem is that those five people have evaporated.
There are five families of neocrown virus as the ABCDE family. The AB family is a parental virus, the C family is their son, and D and E are the sons of C.
In the 80,000 cases in mainland China, there is only the C family, while in the United States, ABCDE is all. C is the son of AB. Without parents, how could he have a son?
In August last year, the largest biological and chemical weapons base in the United States was shut down urgently, followed by a major outbreak of the "flu" in the United States, which has killed more than 10,000 people.
In late October, the Wuhan World Military Games was held, and American soldiers went shopping. In November, patients with new crowns appeared in Wuhan, and now it is a worldwide outbreak.
Then:
1. Who is case 0 in the end?
2. Is the seafood market really the source of the epidemic?
3. What is the purpose of the US Biochemical Weapons Laboratory to develop and synthesize coronaviruses?
4. Why did the U.S. largest biological and chemical weapons base close in August last year?
5. Why did the American Institute of Stone XX team contribute thousands of Chinese chrysanthemum?
6. Gene sequencing, why is there only a C family virus in China? In the US case, ABCDE is all.
7. The director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Response said that in the past there were some cases in the United States that were thought to have died from the flu, but actually died of infection with the new crown virus. Can the medical records of these deceased be published?
With all the above questions, I hope the United States will give the world an account.

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Some good questions and observation but again nothing conclusive. Sorry.

 

[Dolcevita]

Well you're not going to find patient zero because there's likely no sample from him/her.

What you can do is do massive antigen testing on people to see who has immunity and when did they get sick.

How can we scientifically determine when someone got sick? Is this even possible?

 

[supersnoop]

So far the scientific observation are credible enough to warrant further investigation. It is inconclusive only either (a) because their health status and infection record have not been credibly investigated or (b) because their health status and infection record are deliberately being withheld. Is this really that difficult?

Also, Without strong evidence means not conclusive enough and is not same as weak evidence.

Honestly, this will get the thread locked again. That is the point of my post. Mod has allowed some slight leeway, but there is already a very wild post above. There is a lot of credible doubt about the origins already, some possible cases in Italy as early as November. All theories warrant investigation, but until more is known, let's try to keep the speculation/spectacular news to a minimum. If some additional news with regards to this theory is revealed, then I think we would have no issue with posting it. However, if it's just repeating the same things with no evidence, then it's just inflammatory. Even Trump backed off using "Chinese virus" for now!

According to the WHO, quarantine alone is not enough. You need to do mass testing so that you can find and break the chains of transmission.

Unfortunately, Canada does not have sufficient testing capacity to do this. Hopefully it's just the bureaucracy ramping up and we will have more testing capacity soon.

I think all this “social distancing” and following non-China East Asia countries is flawed.

Replicating Korea’s actions will not work because Americans don’t have masks. Everyone in Korea, Singapore, and non-mainland territories have masks.


You WILL slip up. All it takes is one exposure to the virus and you will get sick.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/fohkv6

Mass testing and masks are only a couple small tools. It isn't emphasized enough that cell phone tracking and actual law enforcement officers are being used in Korea and Singapore. They don't have a problem with "violating civil liberties", because in these countries, violators are seen as violating everyone else's "civil liberties".