Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[getready]

It isn't the first time that news coming of ending free PCR tests. Unless, they decide to live with covid, I am doubtful people would need to pay for testing.

I first heard of the news about paying for pcr tests next year at douyin, it was just about shi jia zhuang. Then more news about Guangdong going to be more relaxed with anti covid measures. comments supporting it got most likes even saying stuff like Guangdong being more advanced and other silly stuff putting on a pedestal.

Are there official news regarding this? It does seem there are alot of pent up frustrations spewing out starting few weeks ago. Or it might just be the vocal minority being heard the loudest.

I don't think they have a choice. This winter is shaking up to be a brutal infectious winter. In Canada, most of our hospitals are at full capacity. They are telling people to avoid our only children's hospital all together. Wait times to be seen by a doctor in ED in children's is 8 hours on average.

They are now advocating bring back masks and advising some parents to take their kids out of day care if possible.

And we are only in November. There's covid, flu, and RSV. Triple whammy. All of which are super infectious. The Chinese govt may not have a choice. They're trying to slowly open up while having enough medical care available.

I also read rumors of stocking up of medical supplies and over counter medications which if spread wild fire can lead to dangerous shortages.

 

[Jiang ZeminFanboy]

Since they want it so bad, I suggest Shanghai should be used as a petri dish in reopening at this rate. Shanghai is declared a COVID control free zone, but they become passport controlled to the rest of China. All Shanghai plate cars are subject to quarantine, domestic travel (but not international travel) to and from Shanghai is temporarily permit controlled like Hong Kong with quarantine rules for Shanghai to elsewhere but not elsewhere to Shanghai. Let's see what happens.

Like I said before, the covid rules in China is dividing China. Ideas like yours will fragment China, the opposite what we want, what what CPC were fighting hard to achieve to unite China after warlord Republic of China era.

The thing what privilaged cities hate the most would be to delete they privilages, open these cities for migrants. Shanghai should be opened, hukou deleted, give the migrants the same rights to demand and enjoy the social benefits of the city, that's what spoiled brats would hate the most. Giving Shanghai Hongkong's status is what they want the most.

And the protests could have been prevented if the zero covid ended in the summer when the time was right in my opinion to open.

 

[Sincho]

IMHO, Continuing with zero covid seems to be untenable now. The virus has spread too extensively for lockdowns to contain . Lockdowns now are an exercise in futility. The saving grace is that the virus seems to have attenuated and while it seems to be more easily spreadable but is not as deadly as during the early days when it first appears on the scene.
The situation is not as serious as was in the early days when so much was unknown about the virus in that at all costs it had to be contained with the strictest of measures. We now have a broad range of vaccines and therapeutics when before we have none at all. Continuing with strict zero covid policy as if nothing has changed is therefore overzealous and unnecessary. The solution lies in more application of vaccines and therapeutics and expansion of more intensive care facilities to treat the serious break out cases .

The people of China are tired of zero Covid and overzealous enforcement. In the beginning, yes, the whole country was supportive as there was a sense of utmost dread because there were no known treatment then and no vaccines. But since then, many must. have got the disease multiple times and most have only experienced mild cases (thanks to the vaccines); therefore among the affected populace, there must have grown a feeling of wariness and exasperation with what are perceived as continued inflexible excessive measures.

 

[Quan8410]

Like I said before, the covid rules in China is dividing China. Ideas like yours will fragment China, the opposite what we want, what what CPC were fighting hard to achieve to unite China after warlord Republic of China era.

The thing what privilaged cities hate the most would be to delete they privilages, open these cities for migrants. Shanghai should be opened, hukou deleted, give the migrants the same rights to demand and enjoy the social benefits of the city, that's what spoiled brats would hate the most. Giving Shanghai Hongkong's status is what they want the most.

And the protests could have been prevented if the zero covid ended in the summer when the time was right in my opinion to open.

China cannot reopen in summer. Because that would risk Xi's third term. Politics trump science. That's true everywhere. That's why you saw Li Qiang went up the CCP ladder despite horribly messed up Shanghai covid situation under his term as mayor.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Like I said before, the covid rules in China is dividing China. Ideas like yours will fragment China, the opposite what we want, what what CPC were fighting hard to achieve to unite China after warlord Republic of China era.

The thing what privilaged cities hate the most would be to delete they privilages, open these cities for migrants. Shanghai should be opened, hukou deleted, give the migrants the same rights to demand and enjoy the social benefits of the city, that's what spoiled brats would hate the most. Giving Shanghai Hongkong's status is what they want the most.

And the protests could have been prevented if the zero covid ended in the summer when the time was right in my opinion to open.

It's the opposite, they won't be privileged, they'll be the petri dish in a way that doesn't endanger the rest of the country. They might consider being the only one reopened a privilege, I wouldn't be so sure of that though. The ideological basis is the same as Shenzhen, they're a 'COVID special zone'.

 

[KYli]

China couldn't reopen in the summer as it doesn't want take that much risk of an uncontrolled outbreak that could kill millions. Most experts want to wait and see what Japan and Taiwan fare after reopening before making a plan for an exit.

Japan has shown us that any reopening isn't that pretty and positives. Wave after wave of outbreak and strained health care system and many deaths and hospitalizations. It is just that the MSM doesn't report such hardships and chaos from Japan same as they conveniently don't report their covid deaths and hospitalizations in the West anymore.

CPC doesn't want millions of deaths and try to prolong zero covid as long as possible. Recent protests and resentment against zero covid policy might give CPC the cover to reopen sooner but not before it is ready to do so. I don't see the signs that China has enacted for reopening so it could still take a few months to do so.

More importantly, when other countries have millions of deaths due to covid such as India, nobody gives a FXXX. But not China, the same MSM and Westerners would try to milk China covid deaths after reopening.

 

[foxmulder]

Zero covid policy saved 4 million lives. Whoever is talking about zero covid and not mentioning this, wants bad for China. Very simple.

 

[KYli]

US telling other countries how to best deal with covid. That's funny.

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[daifo]

The only western reporter spitting truth

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This is the real US or general yolo policy:
1. Let everyone that would die from covid ... Die. Deal with that as a big one time shock quickly
2. As people get older/weaker, let them Die too, the number will be lower and won't be as shocking as no one will report 1000-3000 dead a week after a while.
3. Write sensation headlines about covid in China and preach to China about how a bad their near-zero covid policy is

 

[abc123]

Lockdowns are achieving nothing but they are disrupting lives.

This.