Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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getready

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j17wang said:
China can and should take the time to do a gradual vaccination campaign because:
1) the costs of a mass vaccination campaign and its potential benefits is not attractive right now
2) the best way to reduce COVID in china right now is to reduce the importing of COVID from other countries (therefore vaccinating other countries is the priority)
3) New variants have only gotten our attention starting in December, the science is still new on how all the vaccines, which were developed using the genetic code from feb/mar would work against multiple variants
4) Sinopharm/Sinovac represent inactivated viruses which china probably wouldn't have developed had it had the confidence in mRNA. mRNA is better if you can have the cold chains for it (which china actually does). In a few more months, china's mRNA and subunit vaccines will go on-line, which gives china the full plate of vaccine options it needs. Anything available in the west will have its domestic analogue. Some might work better, we just dont know.
5) the chances of a massive wave overwhelming china in later half of this year is incredibly remote, given appropriate levels of public education, remote technology, and government mobilization.
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Are MRNA vaccines safer than inactivated ones? We dun know the long term effects of this type of vaccine? In terms of preventing serious disease from Covid I think the inactivated Vaccines were very well.
 
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getready

Senior Member
texx1 said:
Nationalists want China to be more selective at doling out aids and vaccines. They are not asking for physical confrontation. Let's not get ourselves into furthering the false premise that Chinese assertiveness means aggression.

Lockdown in Beijing was somewhat mild compared to less developed northern provinces because Beijing has enough personnel and resources to implement targeted lockdown. Instead of locking down entire city or county, Beijing only quarantined apartment complexes or several city blocks. Their impact on the public was relatively small compared to what people at less developed area endured.

From my own relatives in mainland, vaccines are currently being offered to port workers, custom agents, some healthcare professionals and anybody with valid international travel plans. State owned enterprises can also arrange vaccines for its employees. But the general public can't just call a local hospital and get a shot. China should widen its vaccination effort. Give vaccine to people like my cousins who actually want it.
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This will take time. Pls be patient. I believe china has set a goal of 40m by June. But Priority will go to people who need them the most first. Same in almost every country in the world. In aus where id they did comparably better than most Western countries, the vaccine roll-out is also slow and started only recently. The first phase will be Frontline medical workers quarantine workers police and those in aged care facilities. The gen public won't get them till later.
 
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KYli

Brigadier
texx1 said:
Nationalists want China to be more selective at doling out aids and vaccines. They are not asking for physical confrontation. Let's not get ourselves into furthering the false premise that Chinese assertiveness means aggression.

Lockdown in Beijing was somewhat mild compared to less developed northern provinces because Beijing has enough personnel and resources to implement targeted lockdown. Instead of locking down entire city or county, Beijing only quarantined apartment complexes or several city blocks. Their impact on the public was relatively small compared to what people at less developed area endured.

From my own relatives in mainland, vaccines are currently being offered to port workers, custom agents, some healthcare professionals and anybody with valid international travel plans. State owned enterprises can also arrange vaccines for its employees. But the general public can't just call a local hospital and get a shot. China should widen its vaccination effort. Give vaccine to people like my cousins who actually want it.
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Czech needs to pay for the vaccines. Only a few countries such as Cambodia, Philippines, and Pakistan get donations of 1 million doses. Other nations receive far less. Countries such as Siberia and Zimbabwe got a great discount for buying Chinese vaccines. I think China has been very restraint in handing out aids and donations. It doesn't want to engage in dollar diplomacy.

As for assertiveness, I think for the last few years, China has shown the world that it is going to defend its core interests no matter what. Building islands in SCS, patrolling the Diaoyu Islands, ending Vietnam exploration in SCS, cracking down on the Western backed riots in HK, stopping terrorism in XJ and the trade war all show that China isn't going to compromise on its core interests.

Like I said before, China's goal of vaccinating 50 millions essential workers are falling behind schedule due to people not wanting to take vaccines. That's why they start to vaccinate people in Beijing. National and regional rollout that suppose to begin in March has been delayed to April at the earliest. Beside preventing import cases from other countries would be the only way to deal with lockdown. Getting vaccinated would not prevent lockdown from happening.
 
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Tyler

Captain
Registered Member
KYli said:
I would prefer China to wait for the outcome of the US and European nations before trying to reach herd immunity. Those variants from South Africa and Brazil might require a booster shot. Vaccinating 40% of its population by July is a reasonable goal.

Testing is mandatory but vaccination is voluntary. It isn't like China doesn't have vaccines to ramp up vaccination. It is just taking time to convince people to be vaccinated.

If things went well in the US, then herd immunity might be possible in July or August. However, it is a big if since many people might be reluctant to take vaccines. As for European nations, they would be lucky to achieve herd immunity in September or even much later. I think people are getting ahead of themselves regarding the herd immunity and open up of international travel. Most experts have been warning it will take 2-3 years to end this pandemic. Looking at the third wave in Brazil and Eastern European nations, I think this assessment is more likely be the truth.
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The US is now claiming they will have enough vaccine doses by June-July to achieve immunity.
 
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