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KYli

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texx1 said:
It's a PR win only if the audience is receptive. As far as I know, Czech political establishment and public are openly anti-communist and by extension anti-china. China exported many tons of masks and other protective equipment to Czech last year, that didn't improve China's image. Also, PRC has long made clear that the diplomatic recognition of Taiwan is one of its red lines, Czech's unpunished visit just created more doubt on how serious PRC is at deterring Taiwan independence.

There is also a domestic public image problem for CCP since the Taiwan visit story was not censored in Chinese media. It was openly discussed by Chinese citizens and there were already justified accusations of CCP showing weakness due to no retaliation. Given there is no public roll-out of a massive vaccination program within China at this time, sending vaccines that are currently unavailable to many regular Chinese citizens to undeserving countries would lower CCP's own standing. It's fine that Chinese government wants to be magnanimous by prioritizing foreigners' interest ahead of its own citizens. However there should be a limit. Friendly countries should be rewarded and hostile countries should be told to wait at the back of the line.
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The aim isn't for Czech but for the world audience. If countries such as Poland and Czech were forced to ask China for vaccines, then it would be a major PR win for China. Many Western European countries might be forced to follow their foot step. In the next few months, China is the only major vaccines provider that have enough to spare to help jump starting many countries' vaccination rollout.

As for domestic PR problem, I wouldn't read too much into that. Most Chinese citizens might have disdained Czech for being anti-China but from their perspective Czech isn't relevant and important enough to be concerned about.

There are no prioritization of foreigners over mainland Chinese. China's attempt to vaccinate its essential workers but it isn't going well as too many people don't see the urgency and need to be vaccinated. Beijing pilot program also didn't fully achieve its initial objective. Most mainland Chinese adopt wait and see approach so I just don't see why they would feel undeserving when they don't want to be vaccinated in the first place.
 
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texx1 said:
It's a PR win only if the audience is receptive. As far as I know, Czech political establishment and public are openly anti-communist and by extension anti-china. China exported many tons of masks and other protective equipment to Czech last year, that didn't improve China's image. Also, PRC has long made clear that the diplomatic recognition of Taiwan is one of its red lines, Czech's unpunished visit just created more doubt on how serious PRC is at deterring Taiwan independence.

There is also a domestic public image problem for CCP since the Taiwan visit story was not censored in Chinese media. It was openly discussed by Chinese citizens and there were already justified accusations of CCP showing weakness due to no retaliation. Given there is no public roll-out of a massive vaccination program within China at this time, sending vaccines that are currently unavailable to many regular Chinese citizens to undeserving countries would lower CCP's own standing. It's fine that Chinese government wants to be magnanimous by prioritizing foreigners' interest ahead of its own citizens. However there should be a limit. Friendly countries should be rewarded and hostile countries should be told to wait at the back of the line.
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Think about it.

China has already agreed to send vaccines to Czechia at the request of the President.
Note that the President was previously the Prime Minister.

The audience who will be receiving these Chinese vaccines are by definition receptive.
So from the Chinese perspective, China would want to supply as many vaccines as possible.

And after this announcement, suddenly the EU approves an additional 100,000 doses of vaccine for the Czech Republic.

Even the Czech anti-China hardliners have to acknowledge that the President's relationship with China has been beneficial.

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AndrewS

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j17wang said:
China doesn't need to help everybody. The 5 eyes does not want China's help nor does India, and Chinas own population does not need urgent distribution. The entirety of SEA/LATAM/Africa/MEA can be vaccinated by China alone, especially as China doesnt seem to be going all out on vaccinating its own people (which is medically unnecessary at this point).

The current conservative numbers for FY21 will be:
Sinopharm 1 billion
Sinovac 2 billion
Cansino 500 million
ZF2001 RBD Dimer 300 million
BioNTech - Astra Zeneca chinese production: 300 million

Realistically Sinopharm is a much bigger company than Sinovac and Cansino Biologics combined, and will also hit about 2 billion before end of year. Realistically, baseline production in China is closer to 4-5 billion doses at this stage, assuming none of the other Phase III vaccines get approval.

China needs to be able to dropship 3-5 million doses at once to a country, basically to start the mass vaccination process. If they get doses from Pfizer or COVAX 3-4 months later I'm sure it will be nice but by then people will remember whose plane arrived first and carried the most doses. Also, I think it would be helpful if Sinopharm and Sinovac also shipped into each others customer markets, basically not only to increase depth of distribution (like hundreds of millions of doses to brazil, turkey, and indonesia each) but also to cover breadth of more countries for general awareness.
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You also have to add in future mRNA production vaccine capacity.
And there should be future mRNA treatments for cancer or genetic diseases as well.
Wouldn't these all use the same production infrastructure?

I would also look at it from a bio-security point of view.
Suppose there is another pandemic outbreak?

A capacity to produce 3 billion vaccinations per year works out to 250 million per month.
At that rate, it would still take 5 months to vaccinate the Chinese population.
 
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AndrewS

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j17wang said:
China doesn't need to help everybody. The 5 eyes does not want China's help nor does India, and Chinas own population does not need urgent distribution. The entirety of SEA/LATAM/Africa/MEA can be vaccinated by China alone, especially as China doesnt seem to be going all out on vaccinating its own people (which is medically unnecessary at this point).

The current conservative numbers for FY21 will be:
Sinopharm 1 billion
Sinovac 2 billion
Cansino 500 million
ZF2001 RBD Dimer 300 million
BioNTech - Astra Zeneca chinese production: 300 million

Realistically Sinopharm is a much bigger company than Sinovac and Cansino Biologics combined, and will also hit about 2 billion before end of year. Realistically, baseline production in China is closer to 4-5 billion doses at this stage, assuming none of the other Phase III vaccines get approval.

China needs to be able to dropship 3-5 million doses at once to a country, basically to start the mass vaccination process. If they get doses from Pfizer or COVAX 3-4 months later I'm sure it will be nice but by then people will remember whose plane arrived first and carried the most doses. Also, I think it would be helpful if Sinopharm and Sinovac also shipped into each others customer markets, basically not only to increase depth of distribution (like hundreds of millions of doses to brazil, turkey, and indonesia each) but also to cover breadth of more countries for general awareness.
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Looks like Sinopharm is aiming for 3 billion doses per year.

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texx1

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KYli said:
The aim isn't for Czech but for the world audience. If countries such as Poland and Czech were forced to ask China for vaccines, then it would be a major PR win for China. Many Western European countries might be forced to follow their foot step. In the next few months, China is the only major vaccines provider that have enough to spare to help jump starting many countries' vaccination rollout.

As for domestic PR problem, I wouldn't read too much into that. Most Chinese citizens might have disdained Czech for being anti-China but from their perspective Czech isn't relevant and important enough to be concerned about.

There are no prioritization of foreigners over mainland Chinese. China's attempt to vaccinate its essential workers but it isn't going well as too many people don't see the urgency and need to be vaccinated. Beijing pilot program also didn't fully achieve its initial objective. Most mainland Chinese adopt wait and see approach so I just don't see why they would feel undeserving when they don't want to be vaccinated in the first place.
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I highly suspect western European countries would follow suit. I foresee more bad PR from inevitable negative news/hit pieces about side effects and suspected death related to Chinese vaccines in Czech republic. All of it would serve to increase more doubt about the effectiveness and quality of Chinese vaccines.

Czech being a small power is precisely the reason why many Chinese citizens are angry. Being submissive and appeasing to superpower like US is at least understandable given the power disparity. PRC's action is not befitting of a great power when small countries can easily take advantage of it with impunity.

Let's not generalize mainland Chinese view towards vaccination. Significant potions of the population want covid vaccines so they can return to their normal lives without worrying about masks and other covid measures. Those that experienced lock-downs in northeast provinces late last year are especially vocal about mass vaccination. The wait and see approach are mainly held by those haven't been seriously impacted by covid.
 
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