Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[vesicles]

China has 4 vaccines that have reported the Phase 3 trial results. However, they haven't been peer reviewed and published in prestige scientific journal. In addition, Sinopharm and Sinovac didn't break down the data as Pfizer did. So Western media claimed China hasn't released full data. Both Sinopharm and Sinovac have submitted the full data to WHO so we probably would get more update soon.

My guess is that they have submitted their manuscripts to some journals, and may be under review or even revising their manuscripts per reviewers' requests as we speak. The time between your initial submission and final acceptance of your manuscript usually takes about 3-6 months. Once your manuscript gets accepted, you will wait in line to get it finally officially published because each issue of a journal has limited space. Of course, many journals now put their accepted manuscripts immediately on-line after they accept them (within a day or two).

If I were them, I would upload their manuscripts to biorxiv (bio-archive) at the same time when they submitted their manuscripts. This way, people get to see your data much sooner than before when we would have to wait until official publication to see it. Although biorxiv manuscripts are not peer reviewed, at least we get a chance to go over their data... And many actually consider biorxiv as "pseudo-publication". I do this with all my own manuscripts... In fact, many journals actually offer to link your manuscripts to biorxiv at the time of your submission.

 

[taxiya]

My guess is that they have submitted their manuscripts to some journals, and may be under review or even revising their manuscripts per reviewers' requests as we speak. If I were them, I would upload their manuscripts to biorxiv (bio-archive) at the same time when they submitted their manuscripts. Although biorxiv manuscripts are not peer reviewed, at least we get a chance to go over their data... And many actually consider biorxiv as "pseudo-publication". I do this with all my own manuscripts... In fact, many journals actually offer to link your manuscripts to biorxiv at the time of your submission.

That would only work when the readers (outside of the review process) do not have political agenda. Otherwise, some "Ph.D" and "MD"s will interpret the raw data in the manner that fit their purpose. And we know COVID-19 has become a highly politicized matter. We have seen lots of acts by real or fake professionals in the west while majority of real western professionals remained silent or pressed into silence or ignored.

So I think it is a bad idea for China to go public (controlled by the western MSM) before China has got all the qualified reviewers signed their names on the conclusion. The point is "do not give the biased or unqualified people a stage to play".

 

[bajingan]

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Sorry if it has been posted, 7k mutations is unbelieveable number, is there any possibility that one of them will drastically increase the death rate?

 

[vesicles]

That would only work when the readers (outside of the review process) do not have political agenda. Otherwise, some "Ph.D" and "MD"s will interpret the raw data in the manner that fit their purpose. And we know COVID-19 has become a highly politicized matter. We have seen lots of acts by real or fake professionals in the west while majority of real western professionals remained silent or pressed into silence or ignored.

Well, when you have your data all plainly displayed, that allows everyone, biased and unbiased, to interpret it. It's a lot better than what is going on now when biased people keep spreading rumors freely, while unbiased people cannot do anything since we don't feel comfortable saying anything without any proof. So you end up with a completely one-sided situation, where immoral people don't need any evidence and freely make up their own baseless conspiracy theories. On the other hand, real unbiased experts are all quiet since they have been trained to only speak based on actual data. No data? No one can say anything.

Just look at the Wuhan P4 lab thing. Once armed with real evidence, those WHO experts become very loud and come out and support China. And once they speak, the conspiracy theorists become comparatively quieter. At least, you get more balanced voices. So you need to show your data. Give us weapons so that we can help you! Unlike those lunatics who freely make up things, we have our own professional reputation to worry about. None of us can speak without evidence.

 

[vesicles]

So I think it is a bad idea for China to go public (controlled by the western MSM) before China has got all the qualified reviewers signed their names on the conclusion. The point is "do not give the biased or unqualified people a stage to play".

As I said above, those biased people don't need a stage to play. They make up their own stages as they go. When you hide your evidence, you only take away the stage for the real experts to help you. Keep in mind that the real experts have been trained for their entire lives to speak only based on actual data. You are literally hurting yourself. You end up with ONLY crazy conspiracy theories going everywhere, but nothing else to counter them... A bad bad bad situation...

 

[vesicles]

That would only work when the readers (outside of the review process) do not have political agenda. Otherwise, some "Ph.D" and "MD"s will interpret the raw data in the manner that fit their purpose. And we know COVID-19 has become a highly politicized matter. We have seen lots of acts by real or fake professionals in the west while majority of real western professionals remained silent or pressed into silence or ignored.

Yes, you will always have bad people. However, for every Yan Menli, you will have hundred more Nobel laureates and world renowned virologists who will come out and speak the truth. They can only do that if you give them the evidence to support them. Last year this time, the bioweapon story was very loud. Once all the genomic data came out, all the real experts came out and issued statements to dismiss the bioweapon story. Although some people still talk about it, but nobody takes it seriously anymore. Even when Trump and Pompeo kept saying the bioweapon thing, the US intelligence community and even the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff came out and said that they saw no evidence of human manipulation and the virus was all natural. This happened because they had the real evidence published in scientific publications to support them.

 

[KYli]

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[SteelBird]

As I read Vietnamese news yesterday, it said China donates vaccines to 53 nations and export to 27. Vietnam was not included. Sound sour grape?

 

[localizer]

As I read Vietnamese news yesterday, it said China donates vaccines to 53 nations and export to 27. Vietnam was not included. Sound sour grape?

It's in China's interest to vaccinate Vietnam due to proximity tbh.

But can't help it if they just don't want Chinese vaccine.

 

[AssassinsMace]

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Sorry if it has been posted, 7k mutations is unbelieveable number, is there any possibility that one of them will drastically increase the death rate?

I remember how Indians were upset because China got attention over human rights abuses meaning the West cared about the human rights of Chinese more than Indians. You can spin victimization. You can spin human rights abuses. If they want to hate or blame China, they'll spin an excuse. So I wouldn't be surprised 7K mutations in India is actually a cry for attention.