COMAC C919

sunnymaxi

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LEAP engine is made by CFM International. This is a joint company by General Electric aka GE (US) and Safran (France). GE builds the hot section of the engine and Safran the cold section.

CFM was initially created to produce the CFM 56 engines which used technology from the hot section of the engine in the B-1 Lancer bomber. This engine was also later developed into the GE F110 engine for the F-15 and F-16.
it was actually Safran who went to GE for partnership to produce high bypass Turbofan engine.. Safran lacked many core technologies back then.. i consider Safran weak player in this category.
 

siegecrossbow

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LEAP engine is made by CFM International. This is a joint company by General Electric aka GE (US) and Safran (France). GE builds the hot section of the engine and Safran the cold section.

CFM was initially created to produce the CFM 56 civilian engine which used technology from the hot section of the engine in the B-1 Lancer bomber aka GE F101. This engine was also later developed into the GE F110 engine for the F-15 and F-16 fighter aircraft.

Hot section is technically used in WS-10 as well.
 

iBBz

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U.S. Pauses Exports of Jet Engine Technology and Chip Software to China​


Now this is a very interesting development. It would come sooner or later anyway. Trump allowed the sales of the LEAP 1C engine to go through during is first term, but now it appears to be part of his art of the deal pending future trade negotiations with China. It is a developing story and not clear how strict the suspension will be (all US-origin C919 components, or just some that China could source domestically or from EU, or in between). Waiting BIS updates. Either way, changes to C919 components (particularly the engine) would require recertification with CAAC, which would delay the C919 programme by several years. We could be seeing the Huawei/ZTE moment for COMAC.

In return, China would almost certainly (but quietly) suspend purchase of Boeing airliners. Chinese airliner travelers would have to be stuck with Airbus and workable Boeings for the time being. China's superior airline safety record is a plus nonetheless.

In short, this will likely benefit China's heavily-indebted high-speed rail industry, which I argue has a genuine overcapacity, particularly for lines constructed west of the Guanzhong Plains, in sparsely populated places like Inner Mongolian, Ningxia, etc. However, if one intends to travel to a place within a 5-hour train ride distance (particularly if there's a regularly scheduled train every hour or two), one should choose trains as opposed to more expensive air travel. HSRs are also more "e n v i r o n m e n t a l l y f r i e n d l y", to put it in a Baizuo Woke manner.

In the long-term, there would likely be more incentives to construct C919B using the domestic CJ1000 engines and fully-domestic C929. This would be a win for China, but it will probably take 5-10 years. It took Huawei from 2018 until late 2023 to finally decouple from the US and recover from sanctions. For an industry (like commercial airliners) that China has long fallen behind the West, it could take longer.
FINALLY! I have been waiting for this to happen for so long. Now China can come at Airbus and Boeing with a vengeance.
 

sunnymaxi

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The sooner China takes this seriously the better. The idea China will take 5-10 years is hogwash. The Y-20 already has all the necessary technologies.
as of now, all core parts and components of C919 producing in mainland except Engine and few avionics/material. even LEAP engine nacelle manufacture in Xian city.

the only problem right now is, transition from LEAP to CJ-1000A. it will take some time.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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At this point, COMAC should forget about gaining certifications from FAA and EASA for their C919 altogether. Neither the US nor the EU are ever willing to see COMAC challenge their darlings, Boeing and Airbus. They would rather block access and sales (the US) or drag out the certification for as long as possible (the EU) just to make COMAC's life as insufferable as possible, perhaps even "better" by forcing COMAC to kill the C919 and abandon any future airliner projects that posses even the slightest threats against their duopoly.

Hence, trying to use any foreign-based/sourced components in the C919 in exchange for their certification is rather moot at this point. China better get going with efforts on full localizing of their aviation sector as much and as effectively as possible.

Yes, I'm sounding very pessimistic, but that's how things are. Though I'm not sure whether there are people in COMAC, AECC and CAAC who still refuse to acknowledge reality...

Come on, Beijing! Sometimes, what people do lack are some canings!
 

GiantPanda

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The sooner China takes this seriously the better. The idea China will take 5-10 years is hogwash. The Y-20 already has all the necessary technologies.

In theory, China can fly with the CJ1000 on a C919 testing prototype even now. The CJ1000 had been tested flown on a Y-20 FTB for a few years now. But you won't want to put that thing into a production aircraft without thousands of hours under various regimes.

You can have the most flawless program but you still need to put in hours in the thousands and that will take years if you follow protocol. Geopolitics and outside factors can always allow you to skip steps and just put that thing up. But does China need to? That market will ALWAYS be there with Western embargo. Just get things right and COMAC will have its share of the market.

To be honest, unless Airbus is also embargoed and Chinese aviation is up shit's creek without any airliners (like Russia) then maybe you would break protocol and rush a new engine to market.

Otherwise, let Airbus and that big beautiful HSR network deal with any capacity issues that might come with COMAC being late 5 or 7 years.
 
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