COMAC C919

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Tomboy

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RoastGooseHKer said:
With China's existinget of Bing and Airbus planes, China can indeed wait until 2027 to roll off a fully domestic C919. Yes, there will certainly be shortage of airliners and parts, but that's why China has the most comprehensive and well-developed passenger rail service in the world. People in China SHOULD be taking trains unless the the distance were greater than 1,200-1,500 km. There is a reason why HSR can travel at 350kph, soon 400, whilst the ticket prices are heavily subsidised and state-owned railway company heavily in debt.
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Your forgetting international travel, as someone who travels to and from China every 2 months or so if a shortage of long range airliners actually becomes reality then it'll be a pretty big impact to tourism and business IMO as I don't think that many international airlines from EU/UK/US fly to China, while this might not be a big issue for NA travelers(Though reduced flights certainly ain't good) it'll be a issue for European ones as Chinese airlines are basically the only ones capable of flying over Russia right now and basically other every airline has to fly around Russia adding quite a bit of travel time and expense.(Which also is why BA stop flying the Beijing route).
 
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Tomboy said:
Your forgetting international travel, as someone who travels to and from China every 2 months or so if a shortage of long range airliners actually becomes reality then it'll be a pretty big impact to tourism and business IMO as I don't think that many international airlines from EU/UK/US fly to China, while this might not be a big issue for NA travelers(Though reduced flights certainly ain't good) it'll be a issue for European ones as Chinese airlines are basically the only ones capable of flying over Russia right now and basically other every airline has to fly around Russia adding quite a bit of travel time and expense.(Which also is why BA stop flying the Beijing route).
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Yes, but Chinese airliners could always prioritise international services. The existing fleet of A350/A330s and Being 787/777s in majour Chinese airlines will continue to do their job. And so long as the Sino-EU relations does not completely break down, China will very likely continue importing A350s in accordance with market demand. The C929 ain't going to replace the A350s until the 2040s. Looking back, even after the Sino-Soviet Split, China imported Tu-154s and even several Il-62 as PLA and Soviet troops fought on the border. China also imported dozens of Hawker Siddeley Trident (including the one hijacked by Lin Biao) as red guards sacked the British Embassy in Beijing. That's where Chinese pragmatism comes in when there is a genuine need, whilst the other side were more than happy to sell (unlike in the IC and arms industries). Such pragmatism is also based on the fact that commercial airliners remain THE industry in which China will continue to lack competitiveness (or simply nonexistent during Mao and Deng's times) for years to come. HOWEVER, despite US sanctions, the fact that COMAC went through the entire process of developing and delivering the C919 means that China now has a domestic commercial airline industry. It is the move from 0 to 1. Once you are at 1, you have something to develop further. It is import substitution, and there will surely be lots of waste. But it is better than permanent reliance on adversarial nations given the worsening international political environment.
 
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What is the difference between the commercial engine and the one used on Y20 or H6? Can China use engines that is made for Y20 on Comac planes?
 
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I found that everyone seem to concentrate on Leap1-C engine instead of "pause/ban on US engine technology" which might be a term that covers all types of aircraft engines that have US technology.

If "pause/ban on US engine technology" is a general term instead of a specific "pause/ban on US engine tenology on Leap1-C", then it will affect all Boing aircraft owned by Chinese airlines as well. Can anyone here try to find out if Leap1-C is specifically mentioned in the ban?

If engines for Boeing airline jets are affected, then thousands of Boeing jets in China will face maintenance and engine overhaul problem. And not only that, Airbus jets are also using engines with US technologies, so delivery of new Airbus jets will be affected as well.
 
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CJ-1000 engine has been flying on Y-20 test aircraft for quite some time.
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It shouldn't take over one year to go from that event to putting it on the C919 for test flights there. But then again when has Chinese engine development ever been smooth in the first place.
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Are they news abt CJ1000's fuel consumption rate comparing to existing competition?
 
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tamsen_ikard

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RoastGooseHKer said:
I think this will take several years. But from an long-term industrial policy perspective, it is nonetheless a great start and kills any incentives within COMAC to cut corners by relying on imported components on C929 and future C919s.
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But those few years there will be a complete halt in production and thus China will be dependent on Boeing and Airbus. US has again kneecapped China for atleast a few years. They keep doing this and China is still so complecent. Its sad to see actually. This is the atleast the Coma of COMAC for the next few years.
 
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