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tacoburger

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There's a lot of chinese games running on unity. Unity will probably roll back the change eventually with all the backlash. But is there any good made in china game engines to prevent something like from happening? I have noticed a lot of western companies are destroying themselves for short term profit. I wonder if this will promot Tencent or MiHoYo to start work on their own game engine.
 

siegecrossbow

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There's a lot of chinese games running on unity. Unity will probably roll back the change eventually with all the backlash. But is there any good made in china game engines to prevent something like from happening? I have noticed a lot of western companies are destroying themselves for short term profit. I wonder if this will promot Tencent or MiHoYo to start work on their own game engine.

There is no incentive to do something unless it is banned. That’s just economics. In an ideal world there is clear division of labor based on each nation’s strength. That ideal world no longer exists.
 

tacoburger

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There is no incentive to do something unless it is banned. That’s just economics. In an ideal world there is clear division of labor based on each nation’s strength. That ideal world no longer exists.
Software is one of China's strengths though. It's not like Tencent or MiHoYo doesn't have the money or the talent. And I won't say there's no incentive to do something unless it's banned, money is a pretty good incentive. If you think that you can make a superior product, and capture a good chunk of the market, which nets you lots of profits, that's a good incentive. Epic dumped billions into Epic games store because they want a slice of that Steam money, even though Steam is basically untouchable and Epic will probably be losing money on the EGS for years and years before it turns profitable, if ever. They know they are taking a big risk but still doing it anyway because even a tiny portion of the online games market could turn a huge profit eventually if they do manage to take it from Steam.

Tencent is in a unique position of owning so many games and studios, you would think that they would have invested in creating a game engine or just buying a decent one and upgrading it by now. China itself is a good market for a chinese game engine, considering the closed off nature of the chinese internet and the huge gaming market that China has. And the fact that sanctions could easily get worse at a drop of a hat due to increasing tensions.
 

siegecrossbow

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Software is one of China's strengths though. It's not like Tencent or MiHoYo doesn't have the money or the talent. And I won't say there's no incentive to do something unless it's banned, money is a pretty good incentive. If you think that you can make a superior product, and capture a good chunk of the market, which nets you lots of profits, that's a good incentive. Epic dumped billions into Epic games store because they want a slice of that Steam money, even though Steam is basically untouchable and Epic will probably be losing money on the EGS for years and years before it turns profitable, if ever. They know they are taking a big risk but still doing it anyway because even a tiny portion of the online games market could turn a huge profit eventually if they do manage to take it from Steam.

Tencent is in a unique position of owning so many games and studios, you would think that they would have invested in creating a game engine or just buying a decent one and upgrading it by now. China itself is a good market for a chinese game engine, considering the closed off nature of the chinese internet and the huge gaming market that China has. And the fact that sanctions could easily get worse at a drop of a hat due to increasing tensions.

China is better at software than certain coding farms that I shall not name because it has some proprietary software and well made applications, but when it comes to core algorithms it is very far behind. The gulf in software is even deeper than the gulf in semiconductor manufacturing.
 

luosifen

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China is better at software than certain coding farms that I shall not name because it has some proprietary software and well made applications, but when it comes to core algorithms it is very far behind. The gulf in software is even deeper than the gulf in semiconductor manufacturing.
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tacoburger

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China is better at software than certain coding farms that I shall not name because it has some proprietary software and well made applications, but when it comes to core algorithms it is very far behind. The gulf in software is even deeper than the gulf in semiconductor manufacturing.
We're talking about a mid-end game engine like Unity here. Not the software used by microsoft/apple/google. Not even the super high end game engines like Unreal 5. Japan has managed to build multiple in house engines for it's games before, and I know that China's software isn't worse than Japan.

And again, Tencent owns a lot of western game studios. If China really can't develop it's own engine, just buy a western company to do the development for you, or outright buy an engine yourself.
 
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OppositeDay

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China is better at software than certain coding farms that I shall not name because it has some proprietary software and well made applications, but when it comes to core algorithms it is very far behind. The gulf in software is even deeper than the gulf in semiconductor manufacturing.

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Eventine

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We're talking about a mid-end game engine like Unity here. Not the software used by microsoft/apple/google. Not even the super high end game engines like Unreal 5. Japan has managed to build multiple in house engines for it's games before, and I know that China's software isn't worse than Japan.

And again, Tencent owns a lot of western game studios. If China really can't develop its own engine, just buy a western company to do the development for you, or outright buy an engine yourself.
It’s not about whether China can build game engines, it’s that the US is a software super power and absolutely dominates almost every sector of the industry. There’s no incentive because whatever platform, engine, or tool need you have there is already a dominant US company doing it. This isn't like hardware where the US has a limited presence, is willing to throw its allies under the bus to contain China, and where the cost disadvantage of the US prevents it from being able to operate at Asia's economies of scale.

The road to replacing the US in software may turn out to be even longer than hardware despite it being much easier to make progress. Different from hardware, the US isn't at a severe price disadvantage vs. Asian companies because open source is much more common in software and the US does have economy of scale and first to product advantage. To throw the US off its throne in software, you'd need to not only make cheaper, better software but also convince users to adopt it when companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and yes, even Unity and Epic, already have 90%+ market share. This is a high bar to reach when there's few fundamental cost advantages outside of maybe cheaper software engineers.

Actually, one of the places where I always thought China could make quick progress is cloud servers because, at the end of the day, server costs are mostly infrastructure and China is better at infrastructure than the US, so it can leverage its infrastructure and hardware advantage to get adoption for its cloud software platforms. But with products like engines, tools, libraries, etc. I just don't see how China can compete at the moment.
 
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