Chinese Economics Thread

KYli

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It's a Ponzi scheme. Eggshell was an online rental agent which rapidly expanded by subsidizing the tenants (offering lower rents). Where did the money come from? It collect rents from tenants on a yearly basis but only pays the owner/leaser in quarterly installments. It then uses the reminder of the yearly installment to subsidize new tenants.

I don't know if Eggshell owners/executives ran with the money or what. Chinese regulators were horribly negligent in the last few years with first the P2P lending scheme then this. Someone needs to resign. But we all know that's not going to happen.

P2P is purely greed. When it first came out, many people have pointed out the danger of such financial products. My dad was approached by someone to invest money into P2P. I told him that any investment that guaranteed over 10% of annual return is a Ponzi Scheme. At that time, the few that suggested to regulate the industry were overwhelmed by netizens and bots of how China is stifling innovations.

People have short memory. Just recently Xi came out strongly and regulated Ant but how many netizens are crying that China is stifling innovations and Xi is doing this to crush anyone dare to speak up against him. Same thing with Anbang using short term insurance products to siphon money from the public but most people still resent Xi for cracking down the big 4. Most people just care about their short term returns.

Eggshell is like the tech bubble in the late 90s and even successful companies today such as Pinduoduo are byproducts of such scheme. Someone came up with an innovative way to do business using the nets, investors pour in the money, new company grew in exponential rate but losing a great deal of money, the new company needs to convince more investors to invest. The hard part is if the founders can continue to convince more venture capital to invest before the IPO and the growth rate can be maintained. If not, then the company needs to show that it can cut losses and turn a profit.

For Eggshell, it is a fine idea but it is structured in a way that can't turn a profit. Not turning a profit is fine as long as long money kept pouring in and the growth rate can be maintained. However, Eggshell is financial innovation not a true net company. Eggshell took over a rental property by offering a too good to be true monthly rental price for the owner, then took a lump sum payment at a great discount from the tenant. Eggshell then used the money to invest. It is clearly a financial innovation not a technology company so a Ponzi scheme since it is too good to be true.

The problem with Eggshell is not only because it is a financial innovation but also it put itself into an industry that could cause great disruptions to the society. It is the fault of the regulators not to intervene earlier since rental market should have been more regulated.
 

Gatekeeper

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Its here. You inserted into this question and limited yourself to appeal to ignore my arguments




Sure, with no arguments, you cant explain.


When was i debunked, and who is "everyone"?

OMG! Don't you think I know that was the sentence you were referring to in your last post.

"I think we should leave him be. He's post shows how ignorant and out of touch with reality he is. It's quite entertaining in a warp sort of way. Lol"

Please please, re-read this sentence. You definately have reading comprehension issues. I know English is not your first language, so I offer you a chance to redeem yourself. And you totally blown it.

The words are "I think we should leave him be" doesn't mean for you to leave! It meant for the rest of us not to pick on you.

While the rest of the sentence is my opinion of how much you know about the subject matter, which everyone can see is ........ not a lot.

The "everyone" is all the people you quoted in you last two posts! Gee, talk about foot in mouth disease. Weigh. Crang Appex. Quantumleap. (Sorry if I misspell anyone's name. I'm running out of time to edit)

So now, show me again, where did I ask you to leave?
 
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gelgoog

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It's a Ponzi scheme. Eggshell was an online rental agent which rapidly expanded by subsidizing the tenants (offering lower rents). Where did the money come from? It collect rents from tenants on a yearly basis but only pays the owner/leaser in quarterly installments. It then uses the reminder of the yearly installment to subsidize new tenants.

I don't know if Eggshell owners/executives ran with the money or what. Chinese regulators were horribly negligent in the last few years with first the P2P lending scheme then this. Someone needs to resign. But we all know that's not going to happen.

Interesting. Reminds me of the WeWork scam.
 

Gatekeeper

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Well, this shouldn't have as a surprise to everyone after all the stimulus that has been pumped into the US economy to fight Covid.

Yuan Hits 2 1/2 Year High, Breaking 6.52 Versus US Dollar
XU WEI
DATE: DEC 04 2020
/ SOURCE: YICAI
Yuan Hits 2 1/2 Year High, Breaking 6.52 Versus US Dollar
Yuan Hits 2 1/2 Year High, Breaking 6.52 Versus US Dollar
(Yicai Global) Dec. 4 -- The Chinese yuan was trading offshore at 6.5199 against the US dollar at about 2.45 p.m. Beijing time, more than 100 basis points firmer than today’s opening and its highest level since June 2018.
Analysts said the weaker dollar, the widening China-US interest rate differential and other factors are the main reasons for the yuan’s gains.
Onshore, the yuan opened stronger than 6.55, then broke through the 6.54 mark during intra-day trading and was at 6.5343 at about 2.45 p.m. local time.
The central bank set the yuan’s central parity rate against the greenback at 6.5507 today, up 85 basis points from yesterday. The rate has climbed 248 bps this week.
The yuan has been firmer than 6.5 recently, mainly driven by three factors, said Zhao Xueyi, a researcher at the Institute of International Finance at Bank of China. First, the dollar is approaching its lowest point this year. The United States still faces great economic challenges in this quarter and next year despite good news on coronavirus vaccines. Investors expect the Federal Reserve to step up quantitative easing this month, driving the US dollar index below 92.
Second, the China-US interest rate differential is at a record high. Yields of China’s long-term government and corporate bonds are going up due to the risk of default on redeeming credit bonds. Meanwhile, expectations that the Fed will act to depress yields of long-term Treasuries have led to a drop in 10-year yields and a significant widening in the interest rate spread, pushing the yuan higher against the dollar.
Third, the external environment is easing. The conclusion last month of the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, the world’s biggest free trade agreement, has also contributed to the yuan’s increasing value.
The US dollar index continued to fall today after hitting a two-and-a-half-year low late yesterday. The index had fallen 99 points to 90.611 as of 2.45 p.m. today.
Editor: Peter Thomas​
Follow Yicai Global
 
Well, this shouldn't have as a surprise to everyone after all the stimulus that has been pumped into the US economy to fight Covid.

Yuan Hits 2 1/2 Year High, Breaking 6.52 Versus US Dollar
XU WEI
DATE: DEC 04 2020
/ SOURCE: YICAI
Yuan Hits 2 1/2 Year High, Breaking 6.52 Versus US Dollar
Yuan Hits 2 1/2 Year High, Breaking 6.52 Versus US Dollar
(Yicai Global) Dec. 4 -- The Chinese yuan was trading offshore at 6.5199 against the US dollar at about 2.45 p.m. Beijing time, more than 100 basis points firmer than today’s opening and its highest level since June 2018.
Analysts said the weaker dollar, the widening China-US interest rate differential and other factors are the main reasons for the yuan’s gains.
Onshore, the yuan opened stronger than 6.55, then broke through the 6.54 mark during intra-day trading and was at 6.5343 at about 2.45 p.m. local time.
The central bank set the yuan’s central parity rate against the greenback at 6.5507 today, up 85 basis points from yesterday. The rate has climbed 248 bps this week.
The yuan has been firmer than 6.5 recently, mainly driven by three factors, said Zhao Xueyi, a researcher at the Institute of International Finance at Bank of China. First, the dollar is approaching its lowest point this year. The United States still faces great economic challenges in this quarter and next year despite good news on coronavirus vaccines. Investors expect the Federal Reserve to step up quantitative easing this month, driving the US dollar index below 92.
Second, the China-US interest rate differential is at a record high. Yields of China’s long-term government and corporate bonds are going up due to the risk of default on redeeming credit bonds. Meanwhile, expectations that the Fed will act to depress yields of long-term Treasuries have led to a drop in 10-year yields and a significant widening in the interest rate spread, pushing the yuan higher against the dollar.
Third, the external environment is easing. The conclusion last month of the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, the world’s biggest free trade agreement, has also contributed to the yuan’s increasing value.
The US dollar index continued to fall today after hitting a two-and-a-half-year low late yesterday. The index had fallen 99 points to 90.611 as of 2.45 p.m. today.
Editor: Peter Thomas
Follow Yicai Global


I guess this proves that China are not paying for Trump's tariff.
 
OMG! Don't you think I know that was the sentence you were referring to in your last post.

"I think we should leave him be. He's post shows how ignorant and out of touch with reality he is. It's quite entertaining in a warp sort of way. Lol"

Please please, re-read this sentence. You definately have reading comprehension issues. I know English is not your first language, so I offer you a chance to redeem yourself. And you totally blown it.

The words are "I think we should leave him be" doesn't mean for you to leave! It meant for the rest of us not to pick on you.

While the rest of the sentence is my opinion of how much you know about the subject matter, which everyone can see is ........ not a lot.

The "everyone" is all the people you quoted in you last two posts! Gee, talk about foot in mouth disease. Weigh. Crang Appex. Quantumleap. (Sorry if I misspell anyone's name. I'm running out of time to edit)

So now, show me again, where did I ask you to leave?

Do not argue with jokers, it will only drag you down with them.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
Do not argue with jokers, it will only drag you down with them.

Notice he's gone very, very silent on this. The sad thing was I wasn't even trying to shut him up. It was very entertaining watching him in action.

But due to his own English issues, (I think he said he was former Balkan citizen now living in Portugal. Fair enough mind.) He mis-read my post, and decided to make an issue of it. Gee.
 
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