China's Space Program News Thread

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Team Blue

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It's never occurred to me if there are satellites orbiting Mars. Feel dumb missing an obvious operation. This apparently won't be the longest orbit but a three year round trip is still impressive.
 

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The 500-ton liquid oxygen rocket engine, developed by China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation made a breakthrough on Fri with a successful full working condition trial. The engine has three times the thrust power of 200-ton engine, and is at the global advanced level.

What happened on Friday was the full-scale test of everything without the combustion chamber and nozzle. It is not a full engine test because the test rig is only capable of 500t used for YF-100. The new engine is 480t leaving no safety margin. The test is full-scale and full power otherwise meaning the gas generator (aka pre-burner) and the turbine pumps (both oxygen and fuel). These parts of the engine is in full working condition.

They have assembled a full engine at the end of 2020. It is waiting for the ongoing construction of the new test stand. I suspect the test can happen in 2021.

The 200-ton engine must be a mistake by global times because China does not have any engine at 200t for the moment. Three times of 200t is 600t which is much larger that YF-130's design spec (480t at sea level). The coming LOX/LOH engine (YF-90) is 220t in vacuum (200t class). But comparing a first stage engine (sea level) with a 2nd stage (vacuum) engine is not appropriate.

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In Temstar's reply it is apparently "3 times of 120t class (YF-100)".
 
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New 500 ton class hydrolox engine intended for super heavy launch vehicle. Successful full duration half system test (I'm guessing running the turbopumps but not igniting the mix). Most powerful dual combustion chamber rocket engine in the world currently.

Compared to 120 ton staged combustion hydrolox engine (must be YF-100):
3 times more thrust (I understand that as equal to thrust of four YF-100)
3% better specific impulse
25% better thrust to weight ratio:

So in my book that works out to be 309s Isp at sea level, 80 TWR. It's basically a Chinese RD-180, slightly better TWR, slightly worse Isp. Excellent first stage engine for moonshot rocket by any measure.
I am not sure about that part although I don't have the inside information to back up my thinking. The wording was "全工况半系统" "full working condition half system". If not igniting the mix, the pre-burner would not be run, the chamber pressure, temperature and ignition sequence would not be tested. It is hardly a full working condition.

This kind of test (everything except main combustion chamber) is nothing new. See here, Landspace 2019 half system full test of 80t LOX/Methane engine.
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3月25日下午,“天鹊”(TQ-12)80吨液氧甲烷发动机半系统联合试验圆满成功,试验数据表明设计方案可靠、产品性能稳定。

半系统点火试车在蓝箭航天热试车台进行,试验装置包括除推力室之外的涡轮泵、燃气发生器、各种阀门、点火和起动装置以及总装管路,所有核心部组件的稳定性均一次性通过考核。试验的成功验证了涡轮泵和各种阀门的设计和工艺方案的可行性、系统的协调性和匹配性、起动时序的正确性,为整机试车奠定了基础。

Since the Landscape people are from within the state space industry, they share the same methodology, I believe the 500t class engine's test was done in the same way, firing up everything.

Hydrolox means Liquid Hydrogen and Oxygen.
3 times is right, the latest YF-100 is the K variant which is 120t. The earlier YF-100 is 100t.
 
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Team Blue

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What do you mean? Tianwen-1 is a satellite of Mars. The previous NASA MRO (Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter) and ESA Mars Express are all satellites.
I know, it's incredibly obvious that there would be some. My dumb brain just never thought about satellites aside from flybys. One of those embarrassing knowledge gaps.
 

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Surely you must mean kerolox not hydrolox. 300 Isp is too low for a hydrogen engine. Even methane should have more Isp.
I assume this was a test where they ran the engine turbopumps with water to check if they have enough performance.
 

YYZJ

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Could the '全工况半系统"' means the rocket engine designed with 2 burn chambers like the Russian but only installed and fired with 1 chamber (half system) during the test?
 

taxiya

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Could the '全工况半系统"' means the rocket engine designed with 2 burn chambers like the Russian but only installed and fired with 1 chamber (half system) during the test?
No. The turbine is for two pumps and two chambers, if the turbine runs full power, there has to be either two chambers burning all the fuels (for two chambers) or not burning any but using water to test the pumps only.
 
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