China's SCS Strategy Thread

ansy1968

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From Five Eyes to QUAD to AUKUS, the numbers is shrinking...lol And the Philippine will be left alone holding the bag.

AND What are they smoking, to much Hopium and Copium are bad for your mental health....lol

MANILA, Philippines — China should bring the Spratlys territorial dispute to arbitration by the International Court of Justice (ICJ), a group said Saturday in support of the call earlier made by Department of National Defense chief Gilberto Teodoro.12 hours ago
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MANILA, Philippines — China should bring the Spratlys territorial dispute to arbitration by the International Court of Justice (ICJ), a group said Saturday in support of the call earlier made by Department of National Defense chief Gilberto Teodoro.12 hours ago

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It is hilarious. China is already in control and administrating these shoals and isles in the South China Sea.
Philippines should be the one filing their claims to ICJ if they are really serious and unhappy. But have they got any hard evidence?
They did so and many times but ICJ has refused to accept their case due to lack of evidence. And so Philippines under B.S. Aquino created the one sided International Arbitration Tribunal and claimed this non UN creation as international law. What a farce?
They even try to file themselves as a party to the claim over Sipadan (The case was later awarded to Malaysia) but were refused.
 

ansy1968

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It is hilarious. China is already in control and administrating these shoals and isles in the South China Sea.
Philippines should be the one filing their claims to ICJ if they are really serious and unhappy. But have they got any hard evidence?
They did so and many times but ICJ has refused to accept their case due to lack of evidence. And so Philippines under B.S. Aquino created the one sided International Arbitration Tribunal and claimed this non UN creation as international law. What a farce?
They even try to file themselves as a party to the claim over Sipadan (The case was later awarded to Malaysia) but were refused.
We already have instead of reinforcing our claim, we forfeit our exclusive fishing rights to all claimant country in Scarborough shoal.... Lol

The winner of the arbitration ruling is Vietnam and the US as we Filipinos foot the legal bill in the hundreds of million dollars for both of them to enjoy the fruit of our so called victory.
 

plawolf

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It is hilarious. China is already in control and administrating these shoals and isles in the South China Sea.
Philippines should be the one filing their claims to ICJ if they are really serious and unhappy. But have they got any hard evidence?
They did so and many times but ICJ has refused to accept their case due to lack of evidence. And so Philippines under B.S. Aquino created the one sided International Arbitration Tribunal and claimed this non UN creation as international law. What a farce?
They even try to file themselves as a party to the claim over Sipadan (The case was later awarded to Malaysia) but were refused.

China already used the existing mechanisms within UNLOS upon ratification to grandfather in its SCS claims, which puts those claims outside of the scope and jurisdiction of UNLOS, and is something many countries do as a matter of course. This is an irrefutable fact that the western MSM always censor when reporting on the issue, which proves the lie that they have media freedom or are a neutral and fair outside observer.

The west doesn’t dare to do anything more thank showboating in the SCS because Chinese hard power in the region is overwhelming. If they tried to start shit, they would get curb-stomped. In terms of balance of power, China has as much, if not more overwhelming advantage in the SCS as it does in and around Taiwan, while being so far from the mainland that no one can use a clash in the SCS as pretext for strikes at the mainland and hope to keep the scope of the conflict limited.
 

KampfAlwin

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Another day, another provocation from the Quad + PH in the SCS against China.


Note: I DETEST THIS SINGAPOREAN PROF not because of his unbridled pro-American stance, but on his inability to actually provide some intelligent and cogent presentation of his ideas, instead, he merely make low I.Q. post that's designed to get clicks and bash China day in and day out.
This guy's entire timeline is just him malding at posts by Global Times lol
 

Wenren

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This guy's entire timeline is just him malding at posts by Global Times lol
He's not a Professor, but only a Research Fellow at a small think tank. If you look at his credentials, he has no pedigree - both undergraduate and graduate degrees from Nanyang Technological University, which is the 2nd tier university in Singapore. Anyone worth their salt comes from National University of Singapore. So after he graduated with his PhD, he was basically unemployable by anyone except from the place he got his degrees from. Academia encourages cross-pollination, so you are always encouraged to move onto other institutions to learn and share. He must have been so academically bad to be stuck at one institution since undergraduate. So why are we wasting time and discussion space over this mosquito?
 

Ex0

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Rumor has it that when Bongbong went to China he asked Xi to protect him militarily in even if coup but Xi refused him. Now he is just finding someone who could protect him.

Interesting. Are you talking about a coup as in a domestic coup by pH locals and military, or are you talking about a coup by USA, like assassinating him or ousting him from power by supporting some kind of opposition? I remember duterte saying stuff like CIA could assassinate him but he doesn't care. USA currently has charges pending and hanging over his head, as well as holding like hundreds of millions of dollars of his families money and also as a fine in that court case against him in USA. They basically got a warrant for this arrest which was suspended when he became president because of diplomatic immunity. So when he leaves office, he will be fair game again. Maybe he was looking to china for protection in this regard, or hoping for China to bribe him somehow and protect him? Then he can run away to China after like his father or something and live a privileged life and not worry about assassination or "rendition" or whatever.

And yet ME and most of my Hua Qiao tribe thrive, I'm not saying its all fine and dandy after all we suffered discrimination along the way, it's how you handle things, rather than complain about it, we work hard and improve ourself, it make you a better person and build character. So respect is earned not given that's what we're getting right now, like I always mentioned being Chinese is beautiful and the mainlander should be grateful cause we made it easier for them to assimilate.
I guess I am also part of that "Hua Qiao tribe" as an overseas Chinese myself. I think we are talking about different things here, both in terms of respect, and in terms of the party being respected. you seem to be talking about mainland Chinese as an individual or culturally, I am mainly talking about China as a whole country.

And the respect I am talking about is pure strength. Like you can hate someone and not respect them as a person or not respect their culture or ideology, but you MUST respect them in terms of pure strength as a country and in terms of military or technology or economy etc, which are like objective things and not subjective.

Do Philippines not even respect Chinese national power in terms of military? Because that is what actually matters here since it will be a military/national challenge. Not about some culture or ideological war since China doesn't care what culture or ideology pH has, and I assume it's the same for ph about china.

So in the end, if pH doesn't respect China's power, then i can understand their continued provocations and actions. But if they do respect(or at least acknowledge) China's power, then I guess this is just some delusional ego thing for them and they are taking China's patience as weakness? How far can China accommodate such challenge to China's national prestige and for how long? That is the 100 billion dollar question.

I remember china had no real issues smacking Vietnam down inside SCS over disputed territories ala Johnson South reef skirmish in 88, but is China actually worried about USA getting involved? Personally I don't think so since even though USA has defense treaty with pH and those like blinken talk a big game and play up the defense treaty and even saying it applies to coast guard, USA themselves do not recognize pH sovereignty over the disputed territories. USA, even after getting new military bases, still doesn't recognize ph sovereignty, and USA warships never accompany pH navy or coast guard on their acts of provocation or "acts of self humiliation" depending on how you see it lol.

The treaty itself was signed in 1951, and back then, just like now, USA did not and does not recognize pH sovereignty. If anything usa recognized Chinese sovereignty, albeit under ROC. Usa themselves took ROC to reclaim Taiping Island on ROCS taiping ship which was an American warship originally and renamed in honor of that reclamation action after WW2.

I think even usa knows that it would be folly of the highest order to get roped into a direct war with China in SCS over some useless rocks/reefs which could be triggered by defense treaty and so USA stays far far away from any such situations which could lead to escalation or put them in a situation where they would have to lose even more face than they have currently lost by continuing to talk a big game about helping ph or defending them when in reality, their actions show they don't intend to do anything of the sort.

It seems to be like both pH and USA are trying to use each other as cannon fodder in some kind of proxy war(cold for now, and both hope to keep it cold and not hot) against China. Both are egging each other on, but both are too scared to actually be the one who throws the first punch because they know the one who does will just get stomped/sacrificed while the other one runs away. Lol. Ph and USA in that sense aren't really allies, if anything they are even more enemies to each other than china is. I'm not sure how much usa even supports the current continued provocations because it just makes USA look weak by doing nothing, and if anything, a direct war vs China in SCS right now is the last thing usa wants.
 

Ex0

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We already have instead of reinforcing our claim, we forfeit our exclusive fishing rights to all claimant country in Scarborough shoal.... Lol

The winner of the arbitration ruling is Vietnam and the US as we Filipinos foot the legal bill in the hundreds of million dollars for both of them to enjoy the fruit of our so called victory.
What, the arbitration trial and ruling cost HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS? I thought it was tens of millions at most. And probably just millions for admin fees to the court, and maybe millions more for bribes to judges. but Hundreds of millions? I find that hard to believe. Judges and admin fees shouldn't cost that much lol. Even usa congressmen or senators or president or supreme Court judges etc can be bought for hundreds of thousands or millions already lol
 

ansy1968

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I guess I am also part of that "Hua Qiao tribe" as an overseas Chinese myself. I think we are talking about different things here, both in terms of respect, and in terms of the party being respected. you seem to be talking about mainland Chinese as an individual or culturally, I am mainly talking about China as a whole country.
I'm talking about ethnicity, whether you're a Mainland Chinese, Taiwanese, HKG or Hua Qiao you're being judge as one, I've had live thru the discrimination when the US had strong presence here until the mid 90's when they were evicted. As punishment the development aid and investment stop pouring in from the Collective West that include Japan. During that time the Taipans emerge as savior of the country as they put the money where their mouth is and invest a lot in manufacturing. That earned them a huge respect from the locals and it trickle down to the Chinese community including the Mainland Chinese as they in their small way contribute in stabilizing the economy. Plus being a minority we share the same experience with their relatives working overseas, the OFW had been discriminated, abuse and rape and it filtered thru the Filipino conscience, thus the change in attitude as we can empathized with each other.
And the respect I am talking about is pure strength. Like you can hate someone and not respect them as a person or not respect their culture or ideology, but you MUST respect them in terms of pure strength as a country and in terms of military or technology or economy etc, which are like objective things and not subjective.
IF Imitation and adoption a form of pure strength? I mean Philippine culture adopt a lot from the Chinese, even the local food such as Adobo had Chinese influence.
Do Philippines not even respect Chinese national power in terms of military? Because that is what actually matters here since it will be a military/national challenge. Not about some culture or ideological war since China doesn't care what culture or ideology pH has, and I assume it's the same for ph about china.
I think you conflate Respect with Fear.
So in the end, if pH doesn't respect China's power, then i can understand their continued provocations and actions. But if they do respect(or at least acknowledge) China's power, then I guess this is just some delusional ego thing for them and they are taking China's patience as weakness? How far can China accommodate such challenge to China's national prestige and for how long? That is the 100 billion dollar question.
Cause they know the Chinese are cultured people and will act as such unlike some barbarians, look when the American retreat you will see a change of attitude, such is life living in a Pax America hegemony.
It seems to be like both pH and USA are trying to use each other as cannon fodder in some kind of proxy war(cold for now, and both hope to keep it cold and not hot) against China. Both are egging each other on, but both are too scared to actually be the one who throws the first punch because they know the one who does will just get stomped/sacrificed while the other one runs away. Lol. Ph and USA in that sense aren't really allies, if anything they are even more enemies to each other than china is. I'm not sure how much usa even supports the current continued provocations because it just makes USA look weak by doing nothing, and if anything, a direct war vs China in SCS right now is the last thing usa wants.
No!!! we had NO issue with China, they're our neighbor and never been a threat to us, Again Manila isn't the Philippine, the one deciding are the political family elite and the oligarch (they are two side of the same coin), they're the one who will lose big time if America influence diminished as they're afraid the Taipans may take over.
 

ansy1968

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What, the arbitration trial and ruling cost HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS? I thought it was tens of millions at most. And probably just millions for admin fees to the court, and maybe millions more for bribes to judges. but Hundreds of millions? I find that hard to believe. Judges and admin fees shouldn't cost that much lol. Even usa congressmen or senators or president or supreme Court judges etc can be bought for hundreds of thousands or millions already lol
I stand corrected, in ten's of million, an approximate in the range of $30 to 40 million.
 
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