China's SCS Strategy Thread

ansy1968

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America had just scolded Teodoro for making a fuss in the SCS, especially when Yellen is due for a visit, so he dutifully comply by blaming the mess he and BBM created to Duterte, problem solved....lol


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America had just scolded Teodoro for making a fuss in the SCS, especially when Yellen is due for a visit, so he dutifully comply by blaming the mess he and BBM created to Duterte, problem solved....lol


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I'm talking about ethnicity, whether you're a Mainland Chinese, Taiwanese, HKG or Hua Qiao you're being judge as one, I've had live thru the discrimination when the US had strong presence here until the mid 90's when they were evicted. As punishment the development aid and investment stop pouring in from the Collective West that include Japan. During that time the Taipans emerge as savior of the country as they put the money where their mouth is and invest a lot in manufacturing. That earned them a huge respect from the locals and it trickle down to the Chinese community including the Mainland Chinese as they in their small way contribute in stabilizing the economy. Plus being a minority we share the same experience with their relatives working overseas, the OFW had been discriminated, abuse and rape and it filtered thru the Filipino conscience, thus the change in attitude as we can empathized with each other.
What is the taipans? Just oligarchs and rich early investors who developed the country early on? It's not just referring to rich Chinese businessmen but also western ones right like English who operate out of China/Hk etc? Because it lists like Jardine and Matheson on the wiki page.


IF Imitation and adoption a form of pure strength? I mean Philippine culture adopt a lot from the Chinese, even the local food such as Adobo had Chinese influence.

I think you conflate Respect with Fear.

Do pinoy people at least respect(or fear) Chinese national strength in terms of economy or military? Or is it like you say, they think chinese are too "civilized" to actually punish them? How does this fit in with what china has done historically, like to Vietnam in 1988 at Johnson South reef? Do they think China has too much to lose these days to do stuff like that anymore?
Cause they know the Chinese are cultured people and will act as such unlike some barbarians, look when the American retreat you will see a change of attitude, such is life living in a Pax America hegemony.

No!!! we had NO issue with China, they're our neighbor and never been a threat to us, Again Manila isn't the Philippine, the one deciding are the political family elite and the oligarch (they are two side of the same coin), they're the one who will lose big time if America influence diminished as they're afraid the Taipans may take over.
Yeah, I agree. Its all about realpolitik. Even without the American retreat, a recent poll done for asean countries showed most have started favoring China in terms of being then preferred strategic partner between China vs USA. Philippines was the only real odd one out(and Vietnam to a lesser degree iirc).
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And yeah, I should be more specific, I was just talking about the gov when I say Philippines in general.

But what about the so called Chinese business community or taipans? They are all pro USA and anti China? Don't the taipans have any say or they aren't part of the oligarchs or ruling elite too since they been there so long? Sounds similar to Indonesia and Thailand and other countries in asean, but filo seems to be the odd one out since I think the Chinese business community have more say in those countries politics.
 

ansy1968

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What is the taipans? Just oligarchs and rich early investors who developed the country early on? It's not just referring to rich Chinese businessmen but also western ones right like English who operate out of China/Hk etc? Because it lists like Jardine and Matheson on the wiki page.
Taipans are ethnic Chinese (parents are both Chinese) who rose from business prominence by trading and are captains of industries, while Chinese mestizos are mixed Chinese coopted by the Spaniards and later by the American who are landed gentry. The latter way of life are tie to the land thus are parochial, rent seekers and usually involved themselves in politics as a hobby since they have the time to spare. The former which by law were prevented to own land are busy running their business and earning money to get involved.
Do pinoy people at least respect(or fear) Chinese national strength in terms of economy or military? Or is it like you say, they think chinese are too "civilized" to actually punish them? How does this fit in with what china has done historically, like to Vietnam in 1988 at Johnson South reef? Do they think China has too much to lose these days to do stuff like that anymore?
The fear is there since ancient times and it was propagated by the Spaniards as they were almost overwhelm by Limahong, thus the law created to segregate the Chinese establishing the first Chinatown in the world within cannon range of Fort Santiago. That law discriminate the Chinese from buying land except if you're converted to Christianity, married a Spanish or native woman and were given special privilege by the Catholic Church and the colonial government. (corruption, it likes paying a dowry to assimilate)

A perfect example of a Mestizo is Jose Rizal our National Hero.
Yeah, I agree. Its all about realpolitik. Even without the American retreat, a recent poll done for asean countries showed most have started favoring China in terms of being then preferred strategic partner between China vs USA. Philippines was the only real odd one out(and Vietnam to a lesser degree iirc).
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And yeah, I should be more specific, I was just talking about the gov when I say Philippines in general.
Our politics are run by Families, oligarch family, they usually lived in Imperial Manila deciding who to run and not. You will see a Marcos occupying every position in Government, from the President, Senator ( Imee Marcos BBM sister), Congressman (BBM son Zandro) ,mayor down to the barangay captain. Its a never ending cycle of perpetuity, the only way to cleanse it is via a violent revolution, we were almost there until Duterte won the 2016 election saving the oligarchs from lynching as hope had revived that changes can really happen via the electoral process.
But what about the so called Chinese business community or taipans? They are all pro USA and anti China? Don't the taipans have any say or they aren't part of the oligarchs or ruling elite too since they been there so long? Sounds similar to Indonesia and Thailand and other countries in asean, but filo seems to be the odd one out since I think the Chinese business community have more say in those countries politics.
I'm not a Taipan but we share the same sentiment and history cause we were Hua Qiao, we studied in a Chinese school, experience the same discriminate and able to overcome it. Like my previous post being Chinese now is beautiful, we had create the condition for my kids and future Mainland emigrant to easy navigate themselves to prosperity, With the Rising China it further enhance that possibility.

And here lies the problem, the mestizo who can't compete due to laziness and privilege attitude want to coopt the Taipans, since they involved themselves in politics they can legislate law favorable to them. And its working Just look at the Gatchalians, they were Hua Qiao until their children start marrying mestizos and enter politics (easy money to make via connection). You can see them form an enclave in Valenzuela City with his son holding a national position as Senator and Congressman, at the local level as mayor and barangay captain.
 
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If we ignore the Philippines part of this, the rest of the list generally pretty good.

It's still baffling they are not doing better in Cambodia. But maybe with more investment there, they will continue to improve. You can see how much Laos numbers have jumped now that rail network goes through there and has significantly increased local economy.

We got the most 3 important countries Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand moving nicely in China's favor.

So the only one left that they need to turn around is Vietnam. That one is do-able if they keep working on it.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Vietnam is never becoming Pro-China until China completely dominates SEA like US does Latin America, even then its doubtful unless China does a CIA like coup to setup a pro-China government. The hatred and propaganda is too deep. Notice how pro-US Vietnam is, its seeped into the Psyche now, Vietnam is the new Thailand of sexpats and Pro-western worship thinking.
 

ansy1968

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Vietnam is never becoming Pro-China until China completely dominates SEA like US does Latin America, even then its doubtful unless China does a CIA like coup to setup a pro-China government. The hatred and propaganda is too deep. Notice how pro-US Vietnam is, its seeped into the Psyche now, Vietnam is the new Thailand of sexpats and Pro-western worship thinking.
No need for any coup, Mando pop and C drama will do. ;)
 

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For those who might still be wondering, this video pretty much sums up the general attitude of most Filipinos in relation to the situation in the SCS. Unfortunately, many Filipinos really buy the idea that the Americans will support them until the end in case of a potential conflict with China. :rolleyes:
 

Bellum_Romanum

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For those who might still be wondering, this video pretty much sums up the general attitude of most Filipinos in relation to the situation in the SCS. Unfortunately, many Filipinos really buy the idea that the Americans will support them until the end in case of a potential conflict with China. :rolleyes:
Lol what are you going to EXPECT? He's a RELATIVE OF THE CORRUPT AND CROOKED MARCOS President from his mother's side. Remember, the speaker of the house is Marcos Jr.s cousin, another Romualdez, all of which ARE PRO-AMERICA. They all have AMERICAN PASSPORTS, PROPERTIES and DUAL CITIZENS.
 
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