China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?


escobar

Brigadier
For people who really love China
What does that even mean ? Theatrical pose....

Doesn't matter if you want a war; a war is here. Every move that America doesn't make, is because it would be obviously self-defeating. There is no mercy and no kindness; these are the final trials of the old king before he relinquishes his throne. Expect to meet and defeat his full force and fury.
Final trials? Really...
 

AssassinsMace

Brigadier
Bad PR for China is a recent event? They have to renew their excuses to make them look up to date. China makes most of its fortunes from its domestic market because the US has been engineering to keep China out since colonialism. It's the same how the West didn't develop One Belt One Road countries and countries in Africa. It cost too much money. They weren't going to develop China either. And because of that China can withstand a lot more attacks on its economy unlike the West. The US could stop China but it will be an act of war. If war was so easy for the US, then why haven't they started it already with China? It's because they're afraid of the consequences. They can't even start with ending trade. China isn't as arrogant to proclaim to the world needs China or can go it alone. That's why the world isn't going to so easily blindly obey the US when some think the US can order the world to not do business with China. The world needs China to buy their goods. They aren't going to give it up so easily unless the US plans to cough up the money they lose from not doing business with China. If it's so easy, why doesn't the US do it? The fact is it's a game of bluff. If you don't need China you don't need to bluff and just do it! The EU isn't banning Chinese tourists who spend the most in the world. Why don't they send a message to China and just ban them permanently since the US is so omnipotent and should be easily be able to order the EU to? Where are the stories of how China is lying about how many people in China are infected? Why don't they use that to get the EU to not let any Chinese in? Because it's propaganda like everything else you're reading against China. Just do it
 

AndrewS

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You can call that PR stunts as you want. What matter firstly is the perception of the "reality" being conveyed.
China say taiwan is a province. US is saying, OK but my SOF is there doing training.
So China also need good PR stunts to weaken what US is saying
PR stunts are over-rated.

Plus you forget it is the Taiwanese constitution which says Taiwan is a province of Greater China.
 

AndrewS

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Yes, China military is altering the military balance. And US military is moving. US land based conventional ballistic missile is coming in Asia.
Where they will be based? Japan? Taiwan?
You need to think and research before making a statement.

US conventional ballistic missiles aren't moving to Asia anytime soon as you say.
There is at least another 5 years of development before any of them are ready for initial deployment.

The US basing ballistic missiles on Taiwan is pointless. China can credibly obtain air superiority and blockade Taiwan.
Then where does that leave the ballistic missiles on Taiwan?

Japan is highly unlikely to allow US ballistic missile units to roam around its country.
We can see Japan has decided it will be as neutral as possible in a US-China contest.
 
Strong PR is not bout stoping USG smear aticles on China but to discredit entirely USG globally on those issue. And it is so easy to discredit US and i can't understant how China gov is so weak at this.
Maybe because not everybody has a big mouth like you and like to leave the obvious for people to see instead for themselves? When someone jumps up and down talking trash about me, I don't jump with him saying the opposite; I just laugh, especially when he's a person known to have no credit.
India banning china app is overall a avowal of weakness because India don't really have many card to play.
That's true.
China hitting back by bannig some stuff will be an avowal of incoherent policy on India.
By your incorrect definition of words, it may be. By the correct definition, however, there can be nothing more coherent than returning what is done to you.
US banning China tech is a coherent policy even with all of its flaw.
Really? Trump saying Huawei is a national security threat, then saying he can allow Huawei to build in America if it's in a trade deal is coherent policy? America imposing a ban and then extending period after period of exemptions is coherent? I would call that desperately incoherent.
I can"t reaaly understand China policy with india. It is "Don't Join QUAD". Do they think India is a one of China province? Anyway, India has already chose rapprochement with US.
Not everybody can understand everything; you don't understand nuclear physics either, do you? I understand Chinese policy with India just fine: normal business, nobody harms anybody, but if you start trouble with me, you'll eat concrete. Quite easy for coherent people to understand coherent policy.
Yes, China military is altering the military balance. And US military is moving. US land based conventional ballistic missile is coming in Asia. Where they will be based? Japan? Taiwan?
Imagining things again? Japan just rejected American missiles days ago; Taiwan can try to do it if they want to die before anyone else in a conflict. Depends on IQ.
You can call that PR stunts as you want. What matter firstly is the perception of the "reality" being conveyed.
China say taiwan is a province. US is saying, OK but my SOF is there doing training.
So China also need good PR stunts to weaken what US is saying
Well, US tends to do PR stunts but China has more substance. China goes to the SCS and takes islands and builds them while the US sails in circles. India tried barking at America's order, China beat them back and advanced its territory. I like the Chinese way better.
What does that even mean ?
Which English word did you find difficult to understand this time?
Theatrical pose....
Really? What "pose" was I in? This one?

LOL You mean prose. Yeah, I write better than you. Don't hate the player; hate the game.

Final trials? Really...
Really. Thanks
 
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AndrewS

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US banning China tech is a coherent policy even with all of its flaw.
It's not a coherent policy. It's confers short-term advantage to the USA, but drives China to outspend the USA in building a larger hi-tech ecosystem. In the long-run, Chinese technology companies will look to replace American technology companies around the world.
Previously, Chinese technology companies were happy to use US tech, but that is no longer an option.

I can"t reaaly understand China policy with india. It is "Don't Join QUAD". Do they think India is a one of China province?
Anyway, India has already chose rapprochement with US.
I think China has decided to make it clear that India joining an anti-China alliance like the QUAD is not an option.
China has past form on this point with the 1951 Korean War and 1979 Sino-Vietnamese War.

And that one of the punishments could be occupied Kashmir/Ladakh being liberated from oppressive police state operated by the Indian Army. There are also 7million angry Muslims in the Kashmir Valley, and suppose China and Pakistan work together to prevent the Indian Army from reaching Kashmir.

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Mt1701d

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Frankly, China don’t need to do a thing and shouldn’t do a thing.

Whether India ban or not ban anything from China are both in China’s favour. Not banning is obvious so let’s look at a prolong ban.

Whether it’s going without the goods or paying a greater prices for goods from elsewhere, both will put pressure on their economy, not everyone care about the nationalism but everyone care about the economy and standard of living. There will some that would be willing to suffer the consequences and there will be others, and I suspect a majority, who are more concerned about their livelihood. This will in turn make India more unstable, when people’s livelihoods are at risk or are in ruins, no amount of spin will undo the damage, and India gov is unlikely or would be unable to subsidise all these people.
As for apps, there will be people whose job and/or income will be directly involved, the situation will be the same as above. If other companies cannot replace all the jobs or lost income it would be the same situation as above.

Either way it favours China, so why waste energy to make those who are on the fence choose the opposite side. If China take additional actions then it would be China ruining their live or can be spun that way, if China does nothing, then it is the Indian gov doing this to them and will be harder to spin.
 
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escobar

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You need to think and research before making a statement.

US conventional ballistic missiles aren't moving to Asia anytime soon as you say.
I didn't specified a time. Talking about a trend

The US basing ballistic missiles on Taiwan is pointless. China can credibly obtain air superiority and blockade Taiwan.
Obtain air superiority before or after the missile hypothetically come in taiwan?

Japan is highly unlikely to allow US ballistic missile units to roam around its country.
We can see Japan has decided it will be as neutral as possible in a US-China contest.
Highly unlikely, but not totally impossible, ok
 

KYli

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Any attempts to base US ballistic missiles on Taiwan mean war. That's why there is no reason to discuss this possibility. Japan is a possibility but not easy. Japan doesn't like the idea of ballistic missiles on its soil and Japanese might strongly oppose such scenario.
 

escobar

Brigadier
Maybe because not everybody has a big mouth like you and like to leave the obvious for people to see instead for themselves?
Obvious to which people? What people are seeing is CHina gov running concentration camp

When someone jumps up and down talking trash about me, I don't jump with him saying the opposite; I just laugh, especially when he's a person known to have no credit.
That is exactly what you are doing. You jump by Saying the opposite when you said you don't trust Western reporting on Chinese policies.

By your incorrect definition of words, it may be. By the correct definition, however, there can be nothing more coherent than returning what is done to you.
like i sad, dumb emotional move

Really? Trump saying Huawei is a national security threat, then saying he can allow Huawei to build in America if it's in a trade deal is coherent policy? America imposing a ban and then extending period after period of exemptions is coherent? I would call that desperately incoherent.
Who care if Huawei is a national security threat or not. Who care if trump is trying to do a deal to allow huawei.
Coherent policy is about final objective. Look at the final objective of the tech war US is doing with China and then see if it is coherent or not.

Not everybody can understand everything; you don't understand nuclear physics either, do you? I understand Chinese policy with India just fine: normal business, nobody harms anybody, but if you start trouble with me, you'll eat concrete. Quite easy for coherent people to understand coherent policy.
You just displaying your lack of IR skill like China gov

Imagining things again? Japan just rejected American missiles days ago;
Japan's Defense Ministry announced that it would “stop the deployment process” of two land-based Aegis Ashore missile defense systems after it was found that the safety of one of the planned host communities could not be ensured without a hardware redesign that would be too time consuming and costly.

It was not cancelled to please CHina. They are even talking about offensive capability

Well, US tends to do PR stunts but China has more substance. China goes to the SCS and takes islands and builds them while the US sails in circles. India tried barking at America's order, China beat them back and advanced its territory. I like the Chinese way better.
Substance? US sof training in taiwan is not substance for you? Ok
 

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