China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?


Canton_pop

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Obvious to which people? What people are seeing is CHina gov running concentration camp



That is exactly what you are doing. You jump by Saying the opposite when you said you don't trust Western reporting on Chinese policies.



like i sad, dumb emotional move



Who care if Huawei is a national security threat or not. Who care if trump is trying to do a deal to allow huawei.
Coherent policy is about final objective. Look at the final objective of the tech war US is doing with China and then see if it is coherent or not.



You just displaying your lack of IR skill like China gov



Japan's Defense Ministry announced that it would “stop the deployment process” of two land-based Aegis Ashore missile defense systems after it was found that the safety of one of the planned host communities could not be ensured without a hardware redesign that would be too time consuming and costly.

It was not cancelled to please CHina. They are even talking about offensive capability



Substance? US sof training in taiwan is not substance for you? Ok


Security threat ? please look no further than President of United States he is Huawei x 100000 if Huawei threat assumed real.
 

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Obvious to which people? What people are seeing is CHina gov running concentration camp
Obvious to anyone who is able to think and analyze. I think it escapes you that many of the people who seem "convinced" are actually people who always hated China and did not care if any reason provided is real or not. They are not convinced; they are just jumping on any opportunity to express their hated. There is no PR that will convince these people of anything that their government does not feed them.

That is exactly what you are doing. You jump by Saying the opposite when you said you don't trust Western reporting on Chinese policies.
I simply said they are not trustworthy; I did not make several posts to analyze and debunk them because they're not worth it. (I honestly didn't even read gadgetcool's article except the title but knew how to rebut it anyway.) The latter would be jumping. English problems are everywhere with you.

like i sad, dumb emotional move
If somebody hits you and you hit back, that is dumb and emotional? OK, by your unique definition. You may adhere to that conduct for yourself; China will do what is natural and deemed appropriate by the CCP.

Who care if Huawei is a national security threat or not. Who care if trump is trying to do a deal to allow huawei.
Coherent policy is about final objective. Look at the final objective of the tech war US is doing with China and then see if it is coherent or not.
The final objective is what? It's not clear. Is it to stop Huawei or is it to make some trade deal involving Huawei? Who knows? Incoherent, and not viable.

You just displaying your lack of IR skill like China gov
No, actually I'm good at IR, China is good at IR, but you are bad at IR, bad at backseat driving, and bad at English.

Japan's Defense Ministry announced that it would “stop the deployment process” of two land-based Aegis Ashore missile defense systems after it was found that the safety of one of the planned host communities could not be ensured without a hardware redesign that would be too time consuming and costly.

It was not cancelled to please CHina. They are even talking about offensive capability
It's cancelled. You want Japan to come out and say they will ditch the US and go with a Chinese alliance? LOL Asking for much, no road-map to get there. That has nothing to with the IR/PR; that is about power.

Substance? US sof training in taiwan is not substance for you? Ok
That's not substance; if China sent a team to do some training drills in Venezuela/Cuba, you call that substance? Standards too low... China continues to tip the military balance in their favor as the critical battles will be found by air and see. I showed you want substance is; gaining territory and building/expanding on them. How is a couple of guys getting together doing jumping jacks substance?
 

escobar

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It's not a coherent policy. It's confers short-term advantage to the USA, but drives China to outspend the USA in building a larger hi-tech ecosystem. In the long-run, Chinese technology companies will look to replace American technology companies around the world.
Previously, Chinese technology companies were happy to use US tech, but that is no longer an option.
How all that make the policy incoherent? That just mean it will force CHina to take some action.
Even if China manage to have a good domestic hi-tech, US one will still be there with lot of strenght.

I think China has decided to make it clear that India joining an anti-China alliance like the QUAD is not an option.
India has already chose rapprochement with US, with QUAD. The question that remains is how far. They are receiving US intelligence and imagery on the border issue. I can understand why India is joining an anti-China alliance. That is just how IR is done. After all China also joined US against soviet in the past.

And that one of the punishments could be occupied Kashmir/Ladakh being liberated from oppressive police state operated by the Indian Army. There are also 7million angry Muslims in the Kashmir Valley, and suppose China and Pakistan work together to prevent the Indian Army from reaching Kashmir.
Maybe, but China Xi has not showed he can do those kind of things
 

escobar

Brigadier
Any attempts to base US ballistic missiles on Taiwan mean war. That's why there is no reason to discuss this possibility.
Are you really sure ? Are you really sure China is not going to say "we urge US no to send ballistic missile to taiwan"
No reason to discuss this possibility because you don't think it is possible? Sorry but that does not make sense

Every time US sell weapons to taiwan China only say this :

US grossly interferes in China's internal affairs and undermines China's sovereignty and security interests
US violate the One China policy

Now you think US sending ballistic missile will change radically what China would do. it's not a certainty...
 
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Are you really sure ? Are you really sure China is not going to say "we urge US no to send ballistic missile to taiwan"
No reason to discuss this possibility because you don't think it is possible? Sorry but that does not make sense

Every time US sell weapons to taiwan China only say this :

US grossly interferes in China's internal affairs and undermines China's sovereignty and security interests
US violate the One China policy

Now you think US sending ballistic missile will change radically what China would do. it's not a certainty...
What is the point of this post? I thought we were here to discuss actual events, not imaginary events with imaginary reactions. (I think that's called war-gaming and not permitted on this forum, actually.) Plenty has happened recently, wouldn't you say? All of those real things can't be used to make your point so you have to make imaginary situations to support your argument better in that imaginary world? LOL

And even if China doesn't react violently in that case, it still wouldn't do anything for your point; it would just prove that China needs to further build-up its military. Your arguments and posts are incoherent.
 

KYli

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Are you really sure ? Are you really sure China is not going to say "we urge US no to send ballistic missile to taiwan"
No reason to discuss this possibility because you don't think it is possible? Sorry but that does not make sense

Every time US sell weapons to taiwan China only say this :

US grossly interferes in China's internal affairs and undermines China's sovereignty and security interests
US violate the One China policy

Now you think US sending ballistic missile will change radically what China would do. it's not a certainty...
There is no if. You don't even understand what it means to station ballistic missiles on Taiwan. Just look at Cuban missile crisis. Either China declared war or kiss Taiwan goodbye.
 

Canton_pop

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There is no if. You don't even understand what it means to station ballistic missiles on Taiwan. Just look at Cuban missile crisis. Either China declared war or kiss Taiwan goodbye.

Look at the history everything US did against China is good for China in the long run, 30 years ago, US sent aircraft carrier to interfere on Taiwan now China has 2 aircraft carrier and counting, at almost the same time US voted and alienated China from the space program now china has successfully send it's people to space and even send Yutu to dark side of moon that US couldn't t do. China was called sick man of Asia look at who is sick now, US buzzed china with it's stealth fighters on many occasions now China has it's own stealth and more coming, 30 years ago US switch off GPS on China missiles and ship cargo, now china has completed Beidou, Just last year US take google play out of Huawei, Huawei now have its app gallery, more restrictions is actually good for china as it's a catalyst to mobilized whole China better than China can do by itself, just look at made in china 2025, almost dead until US imposed more restriction on chips production and this has awaken the industry.
 

Weaasel

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Not really. The article's only focusing on a few nations but ignoring huge players like Russia. Also, the same logic can be applied that the US is facing an ever more hostile world to its policies.

Been like that for decades, not really any worse now at all.


First of all, I don't trust Western reporting on Chinese policies. Secondly, minorities have enjoyed less limits to birth control than Hans for decades and I think that's BS. Removing their special privileges is fair; it was repulsive to ever give them any.
Did you feel that it was unfair for minorities not to be subject to birth restrictions as the Han were all along?
 

AndrewS

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I didn't specified a time. Talking about a trend
If we're talking about trends:
1. US military spending growth is going to be fairly flat in the future.
2. In comparison, China will probably double military spending in the 10 years. And this is a low-medium case estimate.

The Coronavirus has only accelerated this trend, because China feels much more threatened by a hostile US and the growth differential has moved further towards China.

This year, the IMF is projecting China to grow 1%, whilst the US will shrink by 8%.

Obtain air superiority before or after the missile hypothetically come in taiwan?
And how does a small number of conventional ballistic missiles based on Taiwan (with a one time shot) change the military balance?

For example, China has 200 airbases, spread all over China which gives it strategic depth.

The Chinese military already expects to be the target of thousands of Tomahawks and JASSMs launched by the US Navy and US Air Force from beyond Taiwan.

Highly unlikely, but not totally impossible, ok
You do realise that the USA has already lost Europe, which has decided to be neutral between a China-US contest?
Read the reports below, and then think what is happening in Japan and elsewhere in Asia.

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