China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?


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America evil this, America evil that.

No, America does not want China to become more democratic because it would be "easier for CIA influence/ coups/etc" or that it would be "like the Japanese during the 80's and the Plaza Accord." Believe it or not, many Americans truly believe in the ideals of human rights and democracy and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact even if Americans did not believe in human rights, it is still the right thing to do, the Chinese people should have the right to freedom of speech and civil society without the government saying no.
Hey, the jig is up already. If the CIA paid you wumao to be on here, you need to give them their change back. China's model works in projecting China to the top faster than any liberal or democratic system. That's proof alone that it should not change in that direction. If the US cares about human rights, it's got a ton of homework right at home. China's way ahead in that regard since this year. The US should take notes from China for self-improvement.
Because in America's political system, popular belief has an impact on government policy. China would be in a much better shape if more Americans saw it as benign, rather than as a threat and adversary.
So basically be white or be weak. There is no third way to achieve that and you're basically the last person still suck on that tree either being stupid or pretending to be stupid.
The speed and comprehensiveness of the ongoing anti-China move in the US government is due to China having no friends in the US, when it easily could.
When China has "friends" in the US, that's called agents/spies LOL Same when the US has "friends" in China.
You can have a social democratic system, which combines the best ideas of modern liberalism (human rights and democracy, with personal liberty) and economic socialism (a strong welfare state, universal health care, housing, education, minimum wage, etc.) Most countries that run on this system are very stable, such as Scandinavian countries, and to a lesser extent Japan/South Korea/Taiwan. They are not collapsing. There is a lot of scaremongering going on that is not necessary. China is not Russia. Ironically Mao Zedong understood this better than some people today. If Mao had tried to learn everything about China's direction from Russia, he would never have succeeded in the Long March or the Chinese revolution.
And none of these countries you mentioned are powerful, competitive, or can grow as fast as China. China's system is superior; nobody wants the downgrade like you.
I actually live in America. I talk to Americans every day. You don't understand it.
I actually grew up in the US, and so did many other members here. We talk to Americans, went to school with them, go to work with them. We say YOU don't understand it. And that is an incredibly pathetic attempt at evidence.

Americans' attitude towards China isn't driven by the Deep State or the CIA. If anything, most Americans want an even tougher line on China than their government. I've seen many Americans say all tech companies should be banned from doing business with China, or that China should be cut off like North Korea and kicked out of the UN. Compared to that, the attitude of the Trump administration is moderate! What's driving these attitude is not the Deep State or the CIA. It's things like China's camps in Xinjiang and the National Security Law in Hong Kong. And China's constant fighting and disputes with all other countries. Also that China is blamed for coronavirus. Americans are fearful of China's more hardline direction. During the Hu Jintao era there was no problem.
OK, I see you deal with some low rank hateful people. In higher education, people actually want cooperation with China and pretty much agree that you can't keep such a country down. But those highly educated people are a minority in any country. Anyway, China needs to do what it needs to do for its own interested and national security and no country will stop it. Hu Jintao's China was less developed and weaker so America did not realize the mortality of their leadership at the time.

Yes, America has oligarchial aspects, it has problems with it's political system. I'm not saying it's perfect. But there is a chance that Trump could be voted out this year and replaced by Biden. Could that happen in China? No. In America you can curse out the President, and say whatever you want against the President online without getting arrested.
No, it can't happen in China and it's better that way. The president doesn't have to spend 75% of his energy putting on a show to try to win a domestic vote battle and he doesn't have to announce all his strategies for hostile rivals to prepare for in doing so. the Chinese president can always focus on battling for his country and keeping his plans a surprise to deny rival nations extra prep time. Also, in China, the president has to actually be qualified working his way up politically instead of some TV show host who went bankrupt 6 times but can really ignite hordes of stupid people to get their votes. Nor can any hostile country hack a Chinese election like they can an American one. Trump proved that democracy is broken. Unity behind the leadership is most important. Unity is the greatest power for Chinese people.

For minorities and the marginalized, America is often better. For example, if you are LGBT, you can get legally married in America but not China. You have a lot more rights than in China and politicians will pander to you if you belong to certain strategic voting areas.
Ahahahaha, I'm sure all the dead black people and the protesters this year agree with you. As a minority in China, you get to have more kids than Hans. As a minority in the US, you get shot, beaten, abducted, maced for voicing your opinion. China holds a traditional definition of marriage, as do many countries all over the world. Sorry, bud, your speech would have actually required thought in its rebuttal if you made it before Trump. Right now, it's just a sheer lunk of stupidity. You sure you live in America? Doesn't sound like it...
 
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ZeEa5KPul

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Cant quite hear you with the all the white sausages' stuffed in your mouth.
Tidalwave puts a sausage in his mouth for each of his personalities.
So basically be white or be weak.
Not even. The Nazis were white and they still got stomped by America, despite that being widely unpopular with a sympathetic American public. Doesn't matter what colour you are, you take orders from Washington.
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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America evil this, America evil that.

No, America does not want China to become more democratic because it would be "easier for CIA influence/ coups/etc" or that it would be "like the Japanese during the 80's and the Plaza Accord." Believe it or not, many Americans truly believe in the ideals of human rights and democracy and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact even if Americans did not believe in human rights, it is still the right thing to do, the Chinese people should have the right to freedom of speech and civil society without the government saying no.

Uh, if the West believed in free speech then why is there political correctness? Why xantI say the N word? Why can't I say George Floyd deserved it in public?


There is no need to aspire to something illusionary. China should not strive to imitate the liberal West that can't get in its own founding principles to work anymore.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Uh, if the West believed in free speech then why is there political correctness? Why xantI say the N word? Why can't I say George Floyd deserved it in public?


There is no need to aspire to something illusionary. China should not strive to imitate the liberal West that can't get in its own founding principles to work anymore.

I have a very simple view on this. Chinese people from all walk of life, leaders and commoner alike, we all read great western thoughts. Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Immanuel Kant, John Locke, David Hume, Thomas Hobbes, etc. We have no lack of knowledge of the greatest minds and leaders of the Western World: Washington, Franklin, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Napoleon, Bismarck, etc. We know what the Magna Carta, we know who Jesus Christ is, we read the Bible just like we read any other great classic books. There are no gap of knowledge between you and us. We have access to the words and stories of the greatest minds and the greatest leaders of the western world. We travel to the West and we share and talk about them extensively on our social media. We know what you society is like.

And think, please! If even the words and deeds of Rousseau, Hume, Washington and Franklin could no convince us enough to blindly believe in your so-called western style democracy. What make you think that these plain john and jane, these bunch of nobodies, could change our mind?
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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I have a very simple view on this. Chinese people from all walk of life, leaders and commoner alike, we all read great western thoughts. Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Immanuel Kant, John Locke, David Hume, Thomas Hobbes, etc. We have no lack of knowledge of the greatest minds and leaders of the Western World: Washington, Franklin, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Napoleon, Bismarck, etc. We know what the Magna Carta, we know who Jesus Christ is, we read the Bible just like we read any other great classic books. There are no gap of knowledge between you and us. We have access to the words and stories of the greatest minds and the greatest leaders of the western world. We travel to the West and we share and talk about them extensively on our social media. We know what you society is like.

And think, please! If even the words and deeds of Rousseau, Hume, Washington and Franklin could no convince us enough to blindly believe in your so-called western style democracy. What make you think that these plain john and jane, these bunch of nobodies, could change our mind?

Well, it clearly worked on tidalwave / gadgetcool5 , I am just disabusing him of that notion. Free speech, elections, etc, are democratic rituals, they do not actually determine the content of government, which runs like a technocratic bureaucracy. Instead, they determine what the limits on acceptable thought are, shaping the direction of the country according to the whims of the media owners.

In a way, political correctness is America's way of dealing with treasonous speech. "Racism" destroys the globalist thalassocracy's ability to integrate foreign peoples into its own order, and thereby inhibits the functioning of Empire.

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horse

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I have a very simple view on this. Chinese people from all walk of life, leaders and commoner alike, we all read great western thoughts.
You're absolutely right. Even I read a lot of that stuff.

You know what, some of that crap still works in the present day.

Take for example, Covid-19. With the miracle of modern medicine, the death rate is about 1% to 2%. When a health care system is overwhelmed with cases, leaving those stricken without care or ventilators, leaving them in the state of nature, then the Covid-19 death rate is about 10% to 15%.

Logically, we have to assume the state of nature death rate of Covid-19 is around 10%-15%, which means this is a very serious illness.

Yet, what is the attitude in the United States? They never heard of the state of nature it seems. Where life is you know what.

F this. How can we not curse when we read what we read in the papers or on the internet. F-in someone deserves it. F we can F do anything about it.

All F in knowledge, all cast away, F in just like that.

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AssassinsMace

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China is suppose to look "benign" when the US is bombing different countries left and right all year long so much that it's become matter of fact that people forget that's what's happening and the Kool-Aid drinkers think they're so civilized to judge. China is aggressive without bombing anyone. The US is civilized when they have to resort to violence meaning their superior diplomacy skills they claim to possess that makes them superior have failed. That's called being a barbarian wearing a suit. Don't question the US or that's siding with evil.
 
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gadgetcool5

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How can I even argue with so many people? You are all ganging up on me. But it's taking China down a dark path. You can quote me, rebut me, "like" each other all you want. In the end, history will be the truth.
 
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