China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?


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canniBUS

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Yes, America has oligarchial aspects, it has problems with it's political system. I'm not saying it's perfect. But there is a chance that Trump could be voted out this year and replaced by Biden. Could that happen in China? No. In America you can curse out the President, and say whatever you want against the President online without getting arrested. For minorities and the marginalized, America is often better. For example, if you are LGBT, you can get legally married in America but not China. You have a lot more rights than in China and politicians will pander to you if you belong to certain strategic voting areas.
The US political system does not have problems, you mistakenly assume that the US political system exists to serve the people. Perhaps you have confused it with the Chinese political system. The US political system exists to serve the 0.1% wealthiest segment of the population and it is functioning perfectly. It's laughable that you think a presidential election between Trump and Biden is meaningful in any way. I somehow doubt you would applaud China as a democracy if the CPC split into the Chinese Social Democratic Labour Party and the Chinese Worker's Party and the two parties endlessly bickered over whether people with penises should be allowed to use women's restrooms while pursuing identical economic and foreign policies. Yet, when this meaningless bickering happens in the US, you take that as a sign of "democracy". I'll leave it to the other forum goers to rip apart your absurd assertion that being a minority is better in the US.
 

BMEWS

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Just as an hypothetical thought exercise, what countries do you consider to be America's "friends" currently?
Is Germany a "friend" of the US?

If yes, doesn't that mean the US should treat its friends with respect, be kind and nice to its friends, and come to the aids of its friends and help its friends out? Then why is the US deadset on preventing Germany from exercising its own sovereign decision of choosing which energy provider it wants (NordStream 2)? How is this friendly behavior? I thought American public have a friendly view of Germans? What happened?

See the issue when you try to over-simplify the world and cast it in terms of friendship and making friends?
 

KYli

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I actually live in America. I talk to Americans every day. You don't understand it.

Americans' attitude towards China isn't driven by the Deep State or the CIA. If anything, most Americans want an even tougher line on China than their government. I've seen many Americans say all tech companies should be banned from doing business with China, or that China should be cut off like North Korea and kicked out of the UN. Compared to that, the attitude of the Trump administration is moderate! What's driving these attitude is not the Deep State or the CIA. It's things like China's camps in Xinjiang and the National Security Law in Hong Kong. And China's constant fighting and disputes with all other countries. Also that China is blamed for coronavirus. Americans are fearful of China's more hardline direction. During the Hu Jintao era there was no problem.
What's driving these attitude is Deep State and the CIA. It has little to do with anything else. When commies and evil Chinese were implanted for decades and lies that repeating thousands times, there are just no need to incite hatred towards China. Most Americans were taught to view China as an evil country and aggressor in their instinct. However, China was weak a few decades ago so Americans didn't care much about China. However, the attitude is the same and has not changed.

Tibet, dog eaters, babies eaters, communists, commies, chink, 6/4, Mao is the most brutal dictator, slave labors, environmental polluters, babies killers etc. These are the words from elementary school and junior high kids and teenagers. It is a joke that you dare to claim there is no problem during the Hu Jintao era.
 

hullopilllw

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America evil this, America evil that.

No, America does not want China to become more democratic because it would be "easier for CIA influence/ coups/etc" or that it would be "like the Japanese during the 80's and the Plaza Accord." Believe it or not, many Americans truly believe in the ideals of human rights and democracy and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact even if Americans did not believe in human rights, it is still the right thing to do, the Chinese people should have the right to freedom of speech and civil society without the government saying no.
Cant quite hear you with the all the white sausages' stuffed in your mouth.

 
America evil this, America evil that.

No, America does not want China to become more democratic because it would be "easier for CIA influence/ coups/etc" or that it would be "like the Japanese during the 80's and the Plaza Accord." Believe it or not, many Americans truly believe in the ideals of human rights and democracy and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact even if Americans did not believe in human rights, it is still the right thing to do, the Chinese people should have the right to freedom of speech and civil society without the government saying no.
Hey, the jig is up already. If the CIA paid you wumao to be on here, you need to give them their change back. China's model works in projecting China to the top faster than any liberal or democratic system. That's proof alone that it should not change in that direction. If the US cares about human rights, it's got a ton of homework right at home. China's way ahead in that regard since this year. The US should take notes from China for self-improvement.
Because in America's political system, popular belief has an impact on government policy. China would be in a much better shape if more Americans saw it as benign, rather than as a threat and adversary.
So basically be white or be weak. There is no third way to achieve that and you're basically the last person still suck on that tree either being stupid or pretending to be stupid.
The speed and comprehensiveness of the ongoing anti-China move in the US government is due to China having no friends in the US, when it easily could.
When China has "friends" in the US, that's called agents/spies LOL Same when the US has "friends" in China.
You can have a social democratic system, which combines the best ideas of modern liberalism (human rights and democracy, with personal liberty) and economic socialism (a strong welfare state, universal health care, housing, education, minimum wage, etc.) Most countries that run on this system are very stable, such as Scandinavian countries, and to a lesser extent Japan/South Korea/Taiwan. They are not collapsing. There is a lot of scaremongering going on that is not necessary. China is not Russia. Ironically Mao Zedong understood this better than some people today. If Mao had tried to learn everything about China's direction from Russia, he would never have succeeded in the Long March or the Chinese revolution.
And none of these countries you mentioned are powerful, competitive, or can grow as fast as China. China's system is superior; nobody wants the downgrade like you.
I actually live in America. I talk to Americans every day. You don't understand it.
I actually grew up in the US, and so did many other members here. We talk to Americans, went to school with them, go to work with them. We say YOU don't understand it. And that is an incredibly pathetic attempt at evidence.

Americans' attitude towards China isn't driven by the Deep State or the CIA. If anything, most Americans want an even tougher line on China than their government. I've seen many Americans say all tech companies should be banned from doing business with China, or that China should be cut off like North Korea and kicked out of the UN. Compared to that, the attitude of the Trump administration is moderate! What's driving these attitude is not the Deep State or the CIA. It's things like China's camps in Xinjiang and the National Security Law in Hong Kong. And China's constant fighting and disputes with all other countries. Also that China is blamed for coronavirus. Americans are fearful of China's more hardline direction. During the Hu Jintao era there was no problem.
OK, I see you deal with some low rank hateful people. In higher education, people actually want cooperation with China and pretty much agree that you can't keep such a country down. But those highly educated people are a minority in any country. Anyway, China needs to do what it needs to do for its own interested and national security and no country will stop it. Hu Jintao's China was less developed and weaker so America did not realize the mortality of their leadership at the time.

Yes, America has oligarchial aspects, it has problems with it's political system. I'm not saying it's perfect. But there is a chance that Trump could be voted out this year and replaced by Biden. Could that happen in China? No. In America you can curse out the President, and say whatever you want against the President online without getting arrested.
No, it can't happen in China and it's better that way. The president doesn't have to spend 75% of his energy putting on a show to try to win a domestic vote battle and he doesn't have to announce all his strategies for hostile rivals to prepare for in doing so. the Chinese president can always focus on battling for his country and keeping his plans a surprise to deny rival nations extra prep time. Also, in China, the president has to actually be qualified working his way up politically instead of some TV show host who went bankrupt 6 times but can really ignite hordes of stupid people to get their votes. Nor can any hostile country hack a Chinese election like they can an American one. Trump proved that democracy is broken. Unity behind the leadership is most important. Unity is the greatest power for Chinese people.

For minorities and the marginalized, America is often better. For example, if you are LGBT, you can get legally married in America but not China. You have a lot more rights than in China and politicians will pander to you if you belong to certain strategic voting areas.
Ahahahaha, I'm sure all the dead black people and the protesters this year agree with you. As a minority in China, you get to have more kids than Hans. As a minority in the US, you get shot, beaten, abducted, maced for voicing your opinion. China holds a traditional definition of marriage, as do many countries all over the world. Sorry, bud, your speech would have actually required thought in its rebuttal if you made it before Trump. Right now, it's just a sheer lunk of stupidity. You sure you live in America? Doesn't sound like it...
 
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ZeEa5KPul

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Cant quite hear you with the all the white sausages' stuffed in your mouth.
Tidalwave puts a sausage in his mouth for each of his personalities.
So basically be white or be weak.
Not even. The Nazis were white and they still got stomped by America, despite that being widely unpopular with a sympathetic American public. Doesn't matter what colour you are, you take orders from Washington.
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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America evil this, America evil that.

No, America does not want China to become more democratic because it would be "easier for CIA influence/ coups/etc" or that it would be "like the Japanese during the 80's and the Plaza Accord." Believe it or not, many Americans truly believe in the ideals of human rights and democracy and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact even if Americans did not believe in human rights, it is still the right thing to do, the Chinese people should have the right to freedom of speech and civil society without the government saying no.
Uh, if the West believed in free speech then why is there political correctness? Why xantI say the N word? Why can't I say George Floyd deserved it in public?


There is no need to aspire to something illusionary. China should not strive to imitate the liberal West that can't get in its own founding principles to work anymore.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Uh, if the West believed in free speech then why is there political correctness? Why xantI say the N word? Why can't I say George Floyd deserved it in public?


There is no need to aspire to something illusionary. China should not strive to imitate the liberal West that can't get in its own founding principles to work anymore.
I have a very simple view on this. Chinese people from all walk of life, leaders and commoner alike, we all read great western thoughts. Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Immanuel Kant, John Locke, David Hume, Thomas Hobbes, etc. We have no lack of knowledge of the greatest minds and leaders of the Western World: Washington, Franklin, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Napoleon, Bismarck, etc. We know what the Magna Carta, we know who Jesus Christ is, we read the Bible just like we read any other great classic books. There are no gap of knowledge between you and us. We have access to the words and stories of the greatest minds and the greatest leaders of the western world. We travel to the West and we share and talk about them extensively on our social media. We know what you society is like.

And think, please! If even the words and deeds of Rousseau, Hume, Washington and Franklin could no convince us enough to blindly believe in your so-called western style democracy. What make you think that these plain john and jane, these bunch of nobodies, could change our mind?
 
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