China Flanker Thread II

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A good rule to spotting BS is to weigh the action/reaction against the words.

Fact 1) the P8 did not change course or cut its mission short.

That fact alone will give you a good idea of the real seriousness of the incident.

If the PLANAF pilot actually pulled any one of those manoeuvres as depicted in those GIFs, the P8 crew would have scrubbed the mission then and there to get away from the guy.

The fact that they did abosulted nothing is a good indication of just how dangerous or threaterning the PLANAF pilot's actions were in the eyes of the American aircrew. The rest is just political and media spin.


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You're putting your own little spin on here wolfie, sorry, but you have NO idea of the mindset of the P-8 crew, I would imagine they were very angry at the wanton disregard for international norms and their personal safety..... American aircrew are not cut from the same cloth as ordinary men. That they were "onto a big one" is also obvious from the overreaction of the Flanker. As I said above, when you are intercepted, you maintain your course, speed, and heading, unless there is some imminent threat, they took a firm stand to hold their line, and to maintain contact with their target, sending a little message of their own. If we were afraid, we wouldn't be there in the first place, I mean really, and they are professionals, they reported the stupidity, because they were "incensed",,,,, and I find it amateurish to accuse the USN of lying, when you weren't there.

Something you are obviously very naïve about are the consequences an American aircrew faces for misreporting an inflight interception and deliberately misrepresenting the actions of the adversary aircraft, that is "verboten", duty and honor are values that the American military, and the American people hold dear, even in these crazy days.... Lying and Obfuscation are the principle means that some governments and military employ to deceive, and misrepresent the actions of those far more principled and honorable than themselves..... If a pilot, co-pilot, navigator, or flight engineer lied, they would be fired, if that lie resulted in an international incident, they would do time in Leavenworth, the military doesn't mess around with liars or miscreants when there is so much at stake.... end off topic.
 

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GIF of recent flanker intercept:

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J-11BH passing under the P-8

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Barrel roll

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Flying side-by-side

LMAO!

If true, then I am impressed. The issue is that these maneuvers are right out of a Hollywood movie, especially that Top Gun style one. So, I will have to call b.s. It would seem that Western propaganda machine just doesn't even bother relating to reality anymore.
 

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You're putting your own little spin on here wolfie....

Something you are obviously very naïve about are the consequences an American aircrew faces for misreporting an inflight interception and deliberately misrepresenting the actions of the adversary aircraft, that is "verboten", duty and honor are values that the American military, and the American people hold dear, even in these crazy days.... Lying and Obfuscation are the principle means that some governments and military employ to deceive, and misrepresent the actions of those far more principled and honorable than themselves..... If a pilot, co-pilot, navigator, or flight engineer lied, they would be fired, if that lie resulted in an international incident, they would do time in Leavenworth, the military doesn't mess around with liars or miscreants when there is so much at stake.... end off topic.

The information received at the public level is from Media & Pentagon Press Services. Important point. The aircrew gives their debrief internally and after that, other considerations and objectives come into play with what (if any) information is made public and how it is worded. Happens all the time. Zero to do with those flying the mission being honest about what happened.

Back to the Flankers, I am curious to find out how China will introduce AESA to the J-11 series. If it will be a MLU for the J-11B's or part of a larger J-11C upgrade. My understanding is J-16 will roll out with AESA from the start.
 

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let's keep this to Flankers rather than the P-8 incident.
 

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are they ws-10A powered j-15?

To admit I'm either already too old or probably drunk (I just came back from a friend's birthday ... ooooohhhh French Red Wine :eek::p:eek:) ... but I don't think so.

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A J-16 .... but why don't these guys use decent cameras ???? :confused::(

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Re: Shenyang J-31 Fighter

Hmm, is there a J-16 in there?

I see (from closest to furtherest): J-11BSH, J-31, J-11B, probable J-11B, and what could be a J-11BS or J-16, but we can't tell because we don't have a shot of the nose.
 

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Re: Shenyang J-31 Fighter

Hmm, is there a J-16 in there?

I see (from closest to furtherest): J-11BSH, J-31, J-11B, probable J-11B, and what could be a J-11BS or J-16, but we can't tell because we don't have a shot of the nose.


NO ! (sadly)

The best was - other than the front-gear + radome - is to look at the vertical tails + rudder: The J-11BS has the taller tail of a twin-seater but features a fixed part between the tail's base and the rudder. The J-16 in contrast has - similar to the Su-30MKK but without the squared top cap - also the taller tail but its rudder reaches down to the base.

As such this is a J-11BS (most likely from the 175. Brigade FTTC) too

I hope my cut & paste hand-made puzzle makes this a bit clearer !

Cheer, Deino

PS: Besides that a really impressive image !
 

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Re: Shenyang J-31 Fighter

I don't compltely understand but I appreciate the effort in explaining it :)
 
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