China demographics thread.


ansy1968

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@Maikeru bro this report says otherwise ;)

From Beijingwalker (Pakistan Defense Forum)

China finds 12 million children that it didn't know existed

Nov. 24 2021

BEIJING (BLOOMBERG) - China undercounted the number of children born in 2000 to 2010 by at least 11.6 million - equivalent to Belgium's current population - partly because of its stringent one-child policy.

The latest statistical yearbook released by the government puts the number of children born during that period at 172½ million, well above the 160.9 million in that age group recorded in the 2010 census.

The difference could be the result of some parents failing to register births to avoid punishment if they breached the one-child policy.

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meaning some parents would not officially report a newborn if they were over the quota until the child turned six and needed to register for school, according to independent demographer He Yafu.

About 57 per cent of the children later registered were girls, indicating the discrepancy could be partly linked to parents not reporting girls so they could continue to try for a boy.

In addition, the 2010 census was conducted on Nov 1, 2010, so it would have missed births in the last two months of the year. Census surveys also typically do not include people who have died or emigrated in the intervening years.

The revisions show how hard it is to accurately count the number of people in the world's most populous country.

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Census puts number of children born in 2000 to 2010 at 172½ million.. Read more at straitstimes.com.
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badoc

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If there is to be immigration, China should only accept young females of childbearing age and only if they are on spouse visas to Chinese men.
Adding foreign men is simply asking for trouble as the spate of rape gangs in europe has proven.
Avoid immigration of Indians to prevent an avalanche of rapes.
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No new ones, I believe due to racial sensitivities in recent times.
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getready

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Singapore have this long going foreign talent recruitment program. I think china can follow some aspects of it. I mean China probably already has similar policy in place. Talented people will benefit the nation. What they must not do is follow the ceca deal which Singapore has in place with India. This will be bad, allow Indian immigrants to dominate many local sectors.
 

badoc

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Singapore have this long going foreign talent recruitment program. I think china can follow some aspects of it. I mean China probably already has similar policy in place. Talented people will benefit the nation. What they must not do is follow the ceca deal which Singapore has in place with India. This will be bad, allow Indian immigrants to dominate many local sectors.
Yup, its a pain to live with these Indian immigrants.
Our local Indians are much better, though.

Only these foreign Indians, in a delivery appointment from 6.30pm to 8.30pm, they will tell you that time frame is,
FOR YOU TO WAIT FOR THEM.

So only 4 or 5 deliveries in a day?
Haha, eat West North Wind.

Our technicians dread appointments with these Indians, especially North Indians.
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ansy1968

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Want to give my view, My business is in the tourism sector and part of that is doing documentation. I have a lot of customer from the mainland coming here to settled , give birth and marrying the local women. I process a lot of couples who had their 3rd and 4th children who is born here under different parents (mostly their relatives). Therefore were able to obtain a Filipino passport and travel back to China. Aside from that a lot of Chinese male came here to married the locals, and their children is able to obtain a Filipino passport therefore they are not counted as Chinese.
 

getready

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Yup, its a pain to live with these Indian immigrants.
Our local Indians are much better, though.

Only these foreign Indians, in a delivery appointment from 6.30pm to 8.30pm, they will tell you that time frame is,
FOR YOU TO WAIT FOR THEM.

So only 4 or 5 deliveries in a day?
Haha, eat West North Wind.

Our technicians dread appointments with these Indians, especially North Indians.
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Haha
I heard of the Indian immigrants filling up places like in banking and IT sectors in Singapore and denying opportunities for local population. Didn't realize the food delivery sector also the same case. Then again if you had to import inefficiency it's probably better in food industry than in more important Industries lol.

Sorry mods for being off topic
 

Xsizor

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How about some sincere contrition on the part of the CCP for the sick, evil and anti-human one child policy, a recognition of the civilizational level problem that low TFR causes, and a policy of ensuring as far as possible that every male worker earns enough to support a wife (who need not work) and several children? That policy worked for millennia. Anti-feminist? So sue me!
From a perspective that prioritizes individual freedoms, it can indeed seem very "sick". But there are many other factors that countries consider before instituting an One Child or Two Child policies.

Also, as i mentioned ( and you missed ?), countries other than china have and is instituting birth control policies.
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The above article is for India and its birth control schemes post 2010.
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This article talks about a mass sterilization program that India tried to implement during 1970s ( Before China). And there was US pressure on India.

Years before the Emergency, the US government began to put pressure on Indira Gandhi to pursue a more aggressive policy on population control. The Lyndon B Johnson administration was concerned that population growth was a threat to trade and national security, a view that was largely due to a powerful lobbying campaign backed by corporate funders, including the Rockefeller Foundation, the Shell Corporation, and the Ford Foundation.
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that identified India as a country whose population size was of strategic concern for the US.
When President Johnson spoke publicly about population control, he framed it as a development issue. In a 1966 United Nations address, he echoed a RAND Corporation report he’d read, advising his audience to “act on the fact that less than five dollars invested in population control is worth a hundred dollars invested in economic growth.” This was the same year that Prime Minister Gandhi would visit Washington, and Johnson began placing some of this pressure on her. When an adviser asked the president if he wanted to promise Gandhi more food aid during her visit, he exploded: “Are you out of your fucking mind? … I’m not going to piss away foreign aid in nations where they refuse to deal with their own population problems.”

India’s government was already the first in the world to attempt to control its citizens’ fertility on a large scale, and early efforts focused on women, in sync with the international birth control movement. By the 1960s, however, the government had already started to redirect its family planning efforts toward men. The Emergency would accelerate this shift to the breaking point.
 

j17wang

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Glanced over the article and I don't think his stance is anti-CCP outside of his criticism of their one child policy. If he is as concerned about China's fertility rate as I believe he is, his criticisms are valid.

I'm pretty sure a lot of American think tanks/forums would be open to have any Chinese citizen criticize their government at an event. It's just that there's no Chinese person willing to do it. Inviting this one former Chinese citizen to criticize China's demographics(which the CCP took seriously because they scrapped the One Child Policy months before he was allowed to speak) doesn't convince me the Chinese government is more open to criticism than the American government is. I would even go further and say if Wang Huning, the fifth ranking member in the CCP was willing to give a talk titled "American democracy is and will forever be a failure," he would be booked for months at events.

We dont give a fuck whether some guy is anti-CCP or pro-CCP. If his criticism could lead to practical solutions, we can also implement them nonetheless (generally this is unlikely though). Unlike America which probably doesnt read anything nor bother to learn China, China does extensive analysis of positions from Tom Cotton to Gordon Chang, as they essentially act like a red team against anything china does anyways. Never let a good hater go to waste.
 

BlackWindMnt

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Haha
I heard of the Indian immigrants filling up places like in banking and IT sectors in Singapore and denying opportunities for local population. Didn't realize the food delivery sector also the same case. Then again if you had to import inefficiency it's probably better in food industry than in more important Industries lol.

Sorry mods for being off topic
Its the same here in western Europe but its not taking away opportunities from local population. The local population just doesn't provide enough engineers, the Netherlands is a small country but we have like a 50k plus open developer job openings.

Asked my previous manager about it are they really cheaper then local talent, his answer was not really but to keep adding features that our customers want or need. We really need to fill up those engineering slots or else our competitor will use foreign workers and be able to provide those said feature request from customers. It always better to have code running that produces value then to have no code running.

Just to give a different perspective on this off topic comment.
 

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