China demographics thread.

BlackWindMnt

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Those assume a TFR of 1.4-1.7. If a third of young people don't want to get married, China will be lucky to have a TFR of 0.5
So unmarried people don't have sex anymore or get pregnant?

I'm not familiar enough with Chinese marry customs but I'm sure getting married won't be cheap for both sides of the family.

Where I'm from it's not that weird that people actually first get pregnant then register as partners. Maybe down the road they marry. Or just skip the whole marrying part because it's expensive as shit. Better usage of the money is buy a house or improve the home.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Public opinion is the easiest thing in the world to manipulate. All it takes is some propaganda and people will believe anything - ref. public views of China in the West. It was slightly negative/neutral before Trump and in a few years it became rabidly anti-China. Why was that? It was simply because there was a concerted propaganda campaign demonizing China.

There are practical disincentives to raising a family in any country with a standard of living above subsistence farming. The Chinese government is addressing those and it has many tools to deal with them. Beyond that, public opinion about having children is another easy thing to manipulate with propaganda - you just sell pregnancy to Chinese women like Madison Avenue sold cigarettes to American women.

Finally, this is a poll done on Gen Z. In other words, kids. Did you want to get married when you were 16? It's a well-known phenomenon that people's views become more conservative as they get older.
 

Overbom

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There are practical disincentives to raising a family in any country with a standard of living above subsistence farming. The Chinese government is addressing those and it has many tools to deal with them. Beyond that, public opinion about having children is another easy thing to manipulate with propaganda - you just sell pregnancy to Chinese women like Madison Avenue sold cigarettes to American women.
^^good points.
The first about disincentives to raising a family, is being addressed by the Gov nown

The second about public opinion is also correct. In fact I am a bit worried that they would overdo it and thus having an excessive population boom lol

But yes, demographics are far too complex to simply say it is a "crisis". Especially now with the 4th Industrial Revolution coming, everything is uncertain
 

drowingfish

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No, it's Sleepystudent. He is strangely obsessed with China's demographics. It's something that will play out over decades and he'll spend every day of his life obsessed with it.

What a life to lead.
well when you want your enemy to fail and you cant find any obvious weak points you obsess over whatever you think there is hope.
 

gadgetcool5

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No, it's Sleepystudent. He is strangely obsessed with China's demographics. It's something that will play out over decades and he'll spend every day of his life obsessed with it.

What a life to lead.

He was too belligerent, but there is nothing wrong with caring about this issue as it is matter of the Chinese people's and family's continued existence and growth.
 
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hashtagpls

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In that world why would population even matter? there would not be a lower bound at all...
Because to a race based, bloodlines obsessed, 14 words sinophobic west, China and her people are to be decimated and controlled and smaller populations are easier for the control freak anglos to control.
For the past 8000 years or so, the genetic analysis shows that very few men actually reproduced
Make what you will of this data

8,000 YEARS AGO, 17 WOMEN REPRODUCED FOR EVERY ONE MAN
An analysis of modern DNA uncovers a rough dating scene after the advent of agriculture.

psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

Polygamous societies tend to be warlike and violent unless channeled into more pro social endeavours.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Like they say quality and NOT quantity is the deciding factor for country prosperity. Due to legacy of Confucianism east Asia worshipped education and badgers their young to excel academically. this is turn transform East Asia from basket case into the world most dynamic region. Now more and more people realized this secret sauce.

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Latin America will never truly prosper unless its people start to care about education | Opinion​


Andres Oppenheimer
Fri, October 8, 2021, 6:56 PM

When people talk about Latin America’s biggest problems, they usually start by citing government corruption, crime and unemployment. However, one of the region’s biggest problems — compared to what I’ve seen in Asia and other parts of the emerging world — is its people’s failure to take education seriously.
I’m not talking just about the region’s governments’ failure to improve education standards, but about the people’s apparent indifference about the issue. A new poll makes it clear.

The poll, released by Latinobarómetro, a Chile-based regional polling firm, shows that education ranked last among the biggest concerns of most Latin Americans, way below the economy, politics and corruption.
Only 4% of Latin Americans cite education as among their countries’ biggest problems, according to the poll of almost 20,000 people in 18 Latin American countries.


In some countries, there is an even more alarming lack of public awareness about the importance of education: In Mexico, Colombia, Ecuador and Venezuela, only 2% of the people cited education as a major national problem. In Argentina, Guatemala and Honduras, the figure was just 3%.
The absence of a culture of obsession with education is a key reason why Latin America has lost so much ground to Asian countries in recent decades. While in many families in Asia invest much of their time and money in their children’s education, you don’t see much of that in Latin America.
 

gadgetcool5

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Of course quality is important. But quantity is ALSO important. Like I said, Canada has the world's most educated population. If Canada wanted to pursue its independent foreign policy and break from the US tomorrow, does it have the power to stand up to the US? Of course not, with its tiny population it does not have the military strength, economic size or resources to do so. A quality population is important but if its tiny then you have to be satisfied being under the subjugation of others (notably the US and its allies). I hope China never accepts that.
 

sinophilia

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Of course quality is important. But quantity is ALSO important. Like I said, Canada has the world's most educated population. If Canada wanted to pursue its independent foreign policy and break from the US tomorrow, does it have the power to stand up to the US? Of course not, with its tiny population it does not have the military strength, economic size or resources to do so. A quality population is important but if its tiny then you have to be satisfied being under the subjugation of others (notably the US and its allies). I hope China never accepts that.

It's actually Singapore. They are the cognitive elite of the world, but the point is all the same. Doesn't matter if it's Singapore, Finland, Denmark, or any other really advanced country with a tiny population. They will never be powerful, independent, or lead the world to new technological and engineering paradigms.

Population isn't the only thing, but it *is* a necessary prerequisite.
 
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