Can Kill J-20 & T-50, Says Eurofighter

Skywatcher

Captain
The AGP-81 does it why the E-captor can not do it?
The Threat
• Complex scenarios with high agile airborne and ground based threats in
combination with asymmetric warfare
• Detection of difficult targets with low Radar Cross Section
• Difficult electronic warfare environment
Facing the Challenge
• Active electronic beam steering with nearly instantaneously repositioning
of radar beam enables faster detection and increased tracking ranges
• AESA technology with flexible radar resource management will improve
tracking performance/track robustness and missile guidance for
simultaneous multi target scenarios.
• Fast beam steering and high reliability of AESA will increase the
operational effectiveness and mission availability of fighter aircraft
• Cooperative/network centric operations will counter the growing
numbers of threats
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however the question is not if it can do it or not, the question is when can it do it, you are just avoiding a reality, what the AN/APG-77 or AN/APG-81 do other radars can do too.

In fact the F-22 passed already its prime, most modern fighters are using data link to have a wider view of the battlefield, from JAS-39s to Rafales they are doing the same thing F-22 or F-35 do, it is a fact Eurofighter is very close to a fifth generation aircraft in performance and avionics, future trenches will get even closer.

You main premise was F-22 will fire first, however as radar technology advances, the posibility Eurofighter will be able to fire at safe range or at least equal ranges is not far off, several radars are not a disadvantage, in fact F-22 uses the same system, the difference it is thought that radar technology has not yet catch up with stealth, so the idea is eurofighter will be in disadvantage, but as radar technology advances that becomes less likely.

For the last time, even if you take away the stealth of the F-22A, it's superior kinetic performance will enable it to dominate the EF-2000 at BVR combat (unless you think that the E CAPTOR can catch up to the AN/APG-81 but the AIM-120 can't match the Meteor).
 

MiG-29

Banned Idiot
For the last time, even if you take away the stealth of the F-22A, it's superior kinetic performance will enable it to dominate the EF-2000 at BVR combat (unless you think that the E CAPTOR can catch up to the AN/APG-81 but the AIM-120 can't match the Meteor).
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Eurofighter is not inferior with Meteor, see if Iran that is not a super technologically advanced country can down stealth UCAVs and Serbia did it too why Europe won`t do it?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
It's Doubtful the Iranians shot that one down more likely she went down in a accident note the lack of burns in your vid that was not a shoot down. There is some doubt that it's even the drone.

As for the Surb incident That was the Result of complacently. The F117's kept flying the exact same flight plan over and over again so the army of yugoslavia placed a Yugoslav version of the Soviet Isayev S-125 "Neva" (NATO name SA-3 "Goa") on the route. Even with the best stealth can be rendered in effective if they now your coming you. after all even a blind man can run kill some one with a spear if his victim impales himself by running at him.
 

MiG-29

Banned Idiot
It's Doubtful the Iranians shot that one down more likely she went down in a accident note the lack of burns in your vid that was not a shoot down. There is some doubt that it's even the drone.

As for the Surb incident That was the Result of complacently. The F117's kept flying the exact same flight plan over and over again so the army of yugoslavia placed a Yugoslav version of the Soviet Isayev S-125 "Neva" (NATO name SA-3 "Goa") on the route. Even with the best stealth can be rendered in effective if they now your coming you. after all even a blind man can run kill some one with a spear if his victim impales himself by running at him.

Iran does not claim a missile hit it, they claim some type of electronic warfare downed it, and here we have a war of words, you can chose what ever side you wish, i only going to say wars are fight by humans, technology can be learnt, for every technology developed in the arms race there is another technology to beat it.


Stealth is only invincible in movies, in real life, is just another technology with limits and once they know its limits they can beat it.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
I never siad it was invincible even in the worst It's only as good as the tactics and situation it is employed in. However I am also very much disposed too doubt that Iran could have over ridden or shot down a state of the art UAV It's like the Iraqi Claim that some hick farmer shot down a Apache with a single shot.
 

MiG-29

Banned Idiot
I never siad it was invincible even in the worst It's only as good as the tactics and situation it is employed in. However I am also very much disposed too doubt that Iran could have over ridden or shot down a state of the art UAV It's like the Iraqi Claim that some hick farmer shot down a Apache with a single shot.

You are free to believe the US always says the truth, the hard fact is Iran claims it was downed by its military, you can believe the account you think is more reliable, in my opinion stealth is beatable, so i would not be surprised if it is true it was downed by Iran
 

MiG-29

Banned Idiot
Could this be the smoking electron in the alleged unmanned air vehicle (UAV) incident over Iran?

The original reports that Iran "shot down" a Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel appear to be misleading. Iranian news agency reports credited the army's electronic warfare unit with bringing down the UAV, but apparently in a way that limited the amount of damage on landing or impact.

Only six weeks ago, Russia announced delivering the Avtobaza ground-based electronic intelligence and jamming system (shown above) to Iran. Most Russian weapons exports to Iran are blocked, including the proposed transfer of the S-300 surface to air missile system. But there is a key difference between a SAM battery and a jamming system. The S-300 can vastly complicate a strike on an Iranian nuclear site at Natanz or Qoms. A jamming system, such as the Avtobaza, is unlikely to be used to defend such a site because it could interfere with the radar of the S-300 or the Tor-M1 SAM battery.

The Avtobaza, moreover, is designed to jam side-looking and fire control radars on aircraft and manipulate the guidance and control systems of incoming enemy missiles. It would be the perfect tool to target and perhaps infiltrate the communications link that allows a UAV to be controlled from a remote location.

The incident, of course, has not been confirmed with visual evidence of the allegedly captured RQ-170. Unlike 50 years ago, when the Soviet Union shot down the Lockheed U-2, the Iranians will not be able to produce a captured Francis Gary Powers. In 1961, the Soviets appeared to destroy their credibility by releasing imagery of the wreckage of the wrong aircraft -- a luckless MiG possibly shot down by mistake in the fusillade aimed at Powers' U-2. When the Soviets produced Powers, who survived and was captured, the world finally had undeniable proof.

So there is no script in the propaganda textbook for these kinds of incidents. They tend to evolve in their own way. Iran may never produce evidence to back up their claims, or they might later today.

Interestingly, the International Security Assistance Force has made no effort to deny Iran's claims. Instead, the NATO headquarters in Kabul issued a statement acknowledging the loss of one of their UAVs over western Afghanistan last week. The statement also suggested the Iranians may have simply found the misplaced UAV for them. It may be important that NATO officials did not deny Iran's claims that the UAV was the RQ-170, which is known to operate from Kandahar where it was originally spotted.
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Detection by electronic means is also possible if the drone is receiving and sending information via its satellite link and not just silently following a preprogrammed flightpath. While the signal from the drone to the satellite is send in a highly directional beam a plane equipped with the necessary radios flying above the drone and near the line of sight between the satellite and the drone should be able to locate it. If the drone used its own radar to "look around" Iran the recently delivered Russian Avtobaza "anti-stealth" system will likely have detected it.

The Iranians says it did not shoot the drone down but "downed" it with little damage. I think they may have actually landed it.

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Geographer

Junior Member
Detection by electronic means is also possible if the drone is receiving and sending information via its satellite link and not just silently following a preprogrammed flightpath. While the signal from the drone to the satellite is send in a highly directional beam a plane equipped with the necessary radios flying above the drone and near the line of sight between the satellite and the drone should be able to locate it. If the drone used its own radar to "look around" Iran the recently delivered Russian Avtobaza "anti-stealth" system will likely have detected it.
This, to me, seems like the greatest vulnerability of UAVs. UAVs require powerful, continuous radio transmissions with satellites or the home base in order to provide real-time video and guidance. UAVs are a big radio transceiver. Remember the importance of "maintaining radio silence"? That is out the door with UAVs, unless they are programmed to fly a path then come home, akin to a spy satellite flying over and taking pictures.
 

MiG-29

Banned Idiot
This, to me, seems like the greatest vulnerability of UAVs. UAVs require powerful, continuous radio transmissions with satellites or the home base in order to provide real-time video and guidance. UAVs are a big radio transceiver. Remember the importance of "maintaining radio silence"? That is out the door with UAVs, unless they are programmed to fly a path then come home, akin to a spy satellite flying over and taking pictures.
well it is official they captured their uav
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