2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

CrazyHorse

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MFW Trump is more of a World Citizen than any of the "Democrat" Presidents since Kennedy. He might be an overt narcissist but I think he scores lower on psychopathy than your average politician.
Yeah don’t fall for this bullshit. The US and Israel are one and the same at this point. This isn’t targeted at Israel, it’s targeted at you.
 

iewgnem

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About the Chinese offering them aircraft, yes it happened. The deputy head of Artesh (Sayyari) once said in an interview with Chinese media that he doesn't see the need for it.

They are hugely incompetent from both a strategic and tactical perspective.

- They shot down their own airliner with an '80s Soviet army SAM system which was stationed next to their busiest international airport in 2020.
- They hit a navy vessel towing a target barge with an AShM killing more than a dozen sailors.
- Mid-air collision with a fighter and a refueling aircraft during a parade.
- Their most prominent missile design team got obliterated by an accident.
- They've managed to damage several naval vessels caused by navigation errors.
- Despite heavy investment in AD in the last 15 years introducing a plethora of advanced radars and SAM systems, they got completely neutered within several days.

And more. This is just from what I've remembered. The incompetence is in both of the militaries as well as in the civilian government. I would currently rate them on par with the Indians.
Iran just lost a large number of top commanders in a surprise attack, regrouped immediately and proceeded to destroy Israel's will to fight in 12 days to the point of a unilateral ceasefire.
If that's Iran being incompetent what does that make Israel, or America who sent unlimited number of AD to Israel btw.

Taking your own propaganda too seriously isn't healthy, war isn't killing kids in Gaza.
 

AlexYe

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I mean if this is true, this is the biggest 'victory' for Iran, the pro-west/reformists being sidelined, this 'unification' is more of a victory than any losses they suffered. (Assuming IRGC new leaders are more competent and can make hard decisions)

If that's Iran being incompetent what does that make Israel, or America who sent unlimited number of AD to Israel btw.
Honestly yeah agreed, the One thing Iran needs to do is to seriously protect their researchers, their families, move them to protected places, hide/wipe their public information and stuff.
 

iewgnem

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Honestly yeah agreed, the One thing Iran needs to do is to seriously protect their researchers, their families, move them to protected places, hide/wipe their public information and stuff.
Iran did make a lot of mistakes, top among them is allowing western sympathizers to run amock at detriment of proper alignment with allied powers, and failure at investing in internal security and counter-espionage.

Art of War 101: you must secure yourself from defeat first then seek victory, Iran still managed to do that better than Israel and that's ultimately how they prevailed, but Iran can do a lot better, because Israel will 100% try again, maybe even within 6 month.
 

AlexYe

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He does sound genuinely mad, He REALLY wants that noble peace prize too
because Israel will 100% try again, maybe even within 6 month.
6 months is too soon, more like 2 years.
They were flying in supplies from all over nato countries, thats how low they were running, US MIC cant restock those that fast, they arent designed for that stuff anymore. It will take them a while and next time they would want even more AD missile supplies at israel bases from the start. Bibi's window is probably till trump's term, Iran has that much time to learn and fix their mistakes for round 2,
 

sheogorath

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At this point, it seems having Ukranian citizens in your country means a massive security risk regardless of whether you support Ukraine or not. If you do, they'll make sure you can't back away without facing repercutions and if you don't, they will run cover for your enemies whatever they might be.

Also seems safe to assume the NPT and the general non-proliferation framework is dead and buried while the IAEA has been outed as a compromised institution just like the ICC and ICJ.
 
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gelgoog

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Iranians are extremely upset with the way how Iran responded against Israel throughout the conflict so far, even as far as stating that investing missiles over aircrafts shouldn't have been a thing in the first place.
These people are dumb. The Iranian missiles are the only thing their military had which worked properly. Without the missiles being able to destroy Israel without much chance of interception, with impunity, you would be seeing no ceasefire at all.

Iranian aircraft would have never been able to even reach Israel for counter strikes with the US and NATO covering them. Just see how few of the Shahed drones even reach Israel.

There is also no way Iran can have a larger air force than the US and its allies. Not financially possible. Even China is hard pressed to achieve this.

Would you rather have a single Su-57 fighter for 50 million USD or a hundred Emad rockets for 500 thousand each? Plus unlike the aircraft they can produce the Emad themselves.

While Iran needs to modernize its air force, it needs to be used to plug gaps in IADS coverage.

IMHO the major Iranian issue is their lack of robust encrypted military communications, lack of IADS integration, and lousy intelligence and counter-intelligence.
 
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