2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

delfer

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everything was destroyed on the ground by FPV drones launched by saboteurs in a base located in Tehran itself.

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Iranian government does not even control Tehran right now.
Hmm, large scale FPV drone-based sabotage in both Russia and Iran just weeks apart from each other? Nope, definitely no European or American involvement here. None at all.
 

Botnet

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That would be like 400~600 missiles?

Don't think any Air defence can survive or nullify that many missiles.
It’d take a sophisticated IADS to even intercept a large portion of that yeah, but the problem is we literally haven’t seen any sign of Iran’s AD at play whatsoever. At this point I’m inclined to believe they really dont have much left, whether due to Israeli strikes/sabotage or repairs rendering them inoperable. Either way, very grim. Israel seems to be able to operate within Iran’s airspace with total freedom and impunity.
 

obj 705A

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I’m hoping that the current apparent silence from Iran in terms of retaliatory measures is because they are planning something large and coordinated, and not just sitting on their butts waiting to get pounded further.
the current silence in Iran is the kind of silence that you have when you realize you are fked and there is nothing that you can do.
 
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Randomuser

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Iran is a huge and empty country. Hiding drones and a few operatives is not that difficult. Yes, it's new and governments are not prepared for it, but it's not a sign of super incompetence. Even Russia has been infiltrate many many times by Ukraine.

Doing these kinds of infiltration is more about audacity and not about counter intelligence. Iran obviously cannot surveil it's entire population and land.

I doubt even US can withstand such strikes if someone had the audacity to actually do it. Only China has the surveillance depth to probably detect things like this.
As much as I want to criticize Russia, there have a better excuse since their country is far bigger. In addition those drones destroyed a few aircraft at most which were of the older variant. For Iran the strikes killed key personel and key targets. They don't have the optics excuse.
 

tamsen_ikard

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As much as I want to criticize Russia, there have a better excuse since their country is far bigger. In addition those drones destroyed a few aircraft at most which were of the older variant. For Iran the strikes killed key personel and key targets. They don't have the optics excuse.
Are you suggesting Russian leadership not in hiding would be able to survive these kinds of drone infiltration better? The only way these kinds of drones can be stopped is with strong shorad presence and also alot of heavy human guards. Yes, Iran should have had better shorad on its air bases but they can't stop assassination in people's homes unless they are literally hiding in bunkers.
 

zyklon

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I don't think anyone believed Israel would have the audacity to kill the military leadership of a full sovereign country. This is not like killing nasarallah. Israel has never gone after the leadership of another country openly.

This is an open challenge against common international norms where countries don't try assassinate leadership even during times of war. Cause that will expose them to retaliation as well.

Israel attacked an Iranian diplomatic mission in Syria last year resulting in the deaths of several senior Iranian defense officials, and then there was of course the 2020 targeted killing of Qasem Soleimani by the first Trump administration.

So while targeted killings against the seniormost Iranian military leaders is an obvious escalation, such attacks should not be received with surprise or be considered a significant deviation from the evolving norm.

The Iranians are obviously going to want to reciprocate in kind, but they may or may not achieve much visible success, especially considering their track record.

Assuming the Iranians have both the will and means to stand tall, they are most likely attempting to assemble a deliverable nuclear device as we converse, and may intend to demonstrate such a capability with a nuclear weapons test to deter further Israeli aggression.

If Iran is able to reach that point, Washington will have to either accept Tehran as a nuclear power as they have put up with Pyongyang, or more likely, the US and/or Israel will attempt to militarily dismantle Iran's nascent nuclear weapons capability, and that could get very messy.

everything was destroyed on the ground by FPV drones launched by saboteurs in a base located in Tehran itself.

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Iranian government does not even control Tehran right now.

Some of those saboteurs might belong to MEK or other Iranian groups that have been pushing for regime change in Tehran for decades with Israeli (and American) sponsorship.

That would be like 400~600 missiles?

Don't think any Air defence can survive or nullify that many missiles.

According to an IDF spokesman, the Israelis launched 330 munitions during the initial operation against Iran.
 
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