2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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Miragedriver

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The West fortunately won the Cold War, and then unfortunately impose a “Versailles” like settlement of economic shock therapy run by the IMF/World Bank in the 1990 which almost completely destroyed Russia’s inefficient ingrained bureaucratic economy. All this was agreed to by the then President Boris Yeltsin.

What scares me is that just as the 1919 Treaty imposed upon Germany after WW1 paved the way for a second European war in 1939, So the one imposed on Russia and the blocking in of Russia has culminated in a second Cold War. Moreover such aggression will push Russia further and further into the arms of China (which is growing militarily) who are already engaged (in some level) in cyber and financial skirmishes with the USA, and maybe planning for and intensification of the conflict in the future.

Western leaders should take heed of what Henry Kissinger once said: “America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.” In other words nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have mutual interests. The steps the West takes now a very precarious, since tensions do not need to be increased, but at the same time avoiding the appeasement of dictators.

Just expressing my concern. Like all fears they are a mixture of what we hear (and perceive as fact) and what we conclude based on life experiences.
 
I should have included a "wink" to let you know that I was being sarcastic in my comment.

oh you should have indeed, Miragedriver, as I'm oversensitive about the issues of removing millions of people from where they'd lived for centuries.
Actually, it sometimes happened that not 100.0% of the original population was deported (somebody was left as (s)he had some really hard, unappealing job; or just by mistake of the new administration) ... make it 999 ‰

Are you really from Argentina, or I misunderstood (again :) ?
 

MwRYum

Major
I think he wants to wait until EU and US haves spend a lot of money on these rogues, among other things to pay at least a good part of the account with Gazprom.
The biggest irony is that, most of the debts are owed to The Rodina, so it's a bit like paying off Moscow, alas indirectly if you know what I mean.

But you cannot expect them to run a competent government. They have now sent part of their "National Guard", just formed from right wing extremists, to the Eastern provinces. That's asking for a lot of trouble.
That's the equivalent to sending an invitation card to the Russian Army, especially when the US/EU/NATO still not truly ready to trade blows with The Rodina over Ukraine - or the broken scrapheap leftover of it that called Western Ukraine.
 

solarz

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You're talking about a country which conducted rallies against Vietnam War in the US in the deepest Cold War part. What's there to laugh at?

Like any good joke, if you need to have it explained, then you're not going to find it funny in the first place.
 

montyp165

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The problem is that China isn't Switzerland...

That's actually good, because one only needs to see what happened with UBS and the US government to know you DON'T want that type of power by the US over a country's financial system.

The West fortunately won the Cold War, and then unfortunately impose a “Versailles” like settlement of economic shock therapy run by the IMF/World Bank in the 1990 which almost completely destroyed Russia’s inefficient ingrained bureaucratic economy. All this was agreed to by the then President Boris Yeltsin.

What scares me is that just as the 1919 Treaty imposed upon Germany after WW1 paved the way for a second European war in 1939, So the one imposed on Russia and the blocking in of Russia has culminated in a second Cold War. Moreover such aggression will push Russia further and further into the arms of China (which is growing militarily) who are already engaged (in some level) in cyber and financial skirmishes with the USA, and maybe planning for and intensification of the conflict in the future.

Western leaders should take heed of what Henry Kissinger once said: “America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.” In other words nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have mutual interests. The steps the West takes now a very precarious, since tensions do not need to be increased, but at the same time avoiding the appeasement of dictators.

Just expressing my concern. Like all fears they are a mixture of what we hear (and perceive as fact) and what we conclude based on life experiences.

The Asian Financial Crisis of 1998 also showed that the post-Cold War Economic framework sustained by the West had become more ideological in basis than mere economic interest alone, and that trend has only gotten more intense over time.
 
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SampanViking

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If anything is going to kick off in Eastern Ukraine, it could happen over the next 48 hours

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The Kiev regime is threatening to crush dissent in the East within 48 hours and is sending police and military units from the West of the Country into the restive East.

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Their is a clear distinction between the accounts of events from Russian and Western Media. The West has claimed that the Lugansk demonstrators were holding hostages that were subsequently released. RT however disputes that any hostages were ever taken.

The Lugansk protesters are armed and seem to be a reasonably proficient bunch.
The RT piece contains an embedded You Tube video of the group making its demands. It is in Russian so I cannot confirm the content. The following is included as a translation by RT

They stated that they all are from Lugansk or the local region, that every one of them has Ukrainian citizenship and there are no representatives of any Russian special services such as the FSB, or any Russian citizens as such inside the building.

“We represent veterans of Afghan campaign, former border guards and other peaceful trades, and we have just a single legitimate demand: we want a referendum,” the statement says.

“This is expression of the will of the people – and we want to be heard,” the group stated and strongly recommended “not to mess with active duty officers.”

“If you go against us, welcome to hell. We’ll make a decent stand. Godspeed, officers!” the manifesto ended.

The following section from RT was also very interesting

Last night, the police force that arrived from Kiev managed to recapture the local administration in Kharkov, arresting approximately 60 activists and bringing them to a detention center in Kiev. Armed with automatic weapons and masked law enforcement officers stormed the building on early morning and cleared the central square of protesters.

In Kharkov about 30 percent of policemen refused to storm the administration. Avakov has already announced that they will be fired.

A journalist of Russia’s Lifenews TV channel reported from the central square of Kharkov that according to evidence witnessed by the local citizens, some police officers dressed in uniforms of the Jaguar riot police task force seem unable to understand when addressed in either Ukrainian or Russian. They reportedly communicate with each other in English.

The comments of Avakov about firing none performing security officers has been widely reported in the Western Media today, so the 30% mentioned by RT was a very interesting detail.
Obviously the report of English speakers in the Jaguar Riot Police is going to be incendiary, irrespective of whether it is true or not.

Big demos throughout the East tomorrow? Seems a likely bet to me.
 

SampanViking

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Here is the RT update this morning

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The most interesting part is the claim that 150 US Mercenaries from Greystone (formerly Blackwater) are currently based at Donetsk Airport. This is claim is an official Russian Foreign Ministry claim and RT shows video footage of the purported Mercenaries.
 
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