00X/004 future nuclear CATOBAR carrier thread

[Tomboy]

Well known by what evidence?

The fact that 003's hull still resembles a enlarged 1143.6, especially with the iconic outward bulging below the waterline and non tapered tail. Well known posters like SOYO, Captain and Cute Orca both mentioned that the 003 hull is still based on 1143.6.

 

[discovacuum3110]

The fact that 003's hull still resembles a enlarged 1143.6, especially with the iconic outward bulging below the waterline and non tapered tail. Well known posters like SOYO, Captain and Cute Orca both mentioned that the 003 hull is still based on 1143.6.

do you know what evidence means? or is "it looks like it" enough these days for making statements like that

i'd argue that you're a cat walking across a keyboard. no evidence required, since a cat walking across a keyboard has provided as much evidence as you have, which is none

 

[Antares545]

question what makes the Kuznetsov hull design worse? just curious

 

[Tomboy]

do you know what evfence means? or is "it looks like it" enough these days for making statements like that

i'd argue that you look like a bag ausages, following that same logic. no evidence required, since you just sound like one.

First, credible posters have said this multiple time, second what else do you want? The schematics? The hull have every single iconic features only found from 1143.6 hulls. Not saying it's a copy but it's very obvious related.

Your argument is terrible as no human looks like a bag of sausages, more accurate argument should be this person really resembles their parent and hence are most likely related. While there may be some room for error but considering the design lineage it's most likely true.

 

[latenlazy]

First, credible posters have said this multiple time, second what else do you want? The schematics? The hull have every single iconic features only found from 1143.6 hulls. Not saying it's a copy but it's very obvious related.

Your argument is terrible as no human looks like a bag of sausages, more accurate argument should be this person really resembles their parent and hence are most likely related. While there may be some room for error but considering the design lineage it's most likely true.

Eh, if you’re citing “credible posters” you should probably share what was actually said and by who.

 

[Tomboy]

Eh, if you’re citing “credible posters” you should probably share what was actually said and by who.

Also, Ayi mentioned this as well in an episode of Chahuahui but it might take me a while to find exactly which episode.

 

[Mirabo]

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Also, Ayi mentioned this as well in an episode of Chahuahui but it might take me a while to find exactly which episode.

The problem with these statements is that it's very open to interpretation. For example, as we know, 002's hull was highly optimised hydrodynamically compared to 001, even though it is a sister ship to 001 / Kuznetsov for all intents and purposes.

Does that still make it a Soviet-based or Soviet-inspired hullform? Probably, but we can't discount all the improvements that have been implemented to the original design, the same way we can't say 003's hullform or internal layout is subpar only because it had its roots in an old Soviet project.

The same way 002 had its hangar enlarged from removing the VLS cells on the original Kuznetsov design, which we would never have known if people said that 002 was just a Kuznetsov copy or "based on Kuznetsov"... 003's layout is also certainly optimised for modern PLAN requirements no matter where its design originated from.

 

[Lethe]

One could do a lot worse than draw inspiration from Soviet hullforms. TsAGI was a world-class institution. DDG-51's hullform was inspired by study of Soviet combatant hullforms and USN will apparently be building those ships until the heat death of the universe, so PLAN is in good company here.

 

[Confusionism]

The same way 002 had its hangar enlarged from removing the VLS cells on the original Kuznetsov design, which we would never have known if people said that 002 was just a Kuznetsov copy or "based on Kuznetsov"... 003's layout is also certainly optimised for modern PLAN requirements no matter where its design originated from.

No, this is a long-standing myth, but it's not true. Actually, just a quick look at their locations makes it clear why it's impossible.

The blue box indicates the VLS location, situated in a very narrow area near the bow. The hangar wall towards the bow is located behind the ammunition elevator, because the elevator must pass through the hangar deck. The Soviet Navy wasn't foolish enough to occupy space that could be used as hangar, there is still plenty of space available for VLS in the carrier hull. After VLS is removed, additional space will certainly become available for other purposes, but not as hangar.


Even the Nimitz-class is no exception—its hanger bay occupy only the rear 2/3~3/5 of the hull.

 

[Aspide]

One could do a lot worse than draw inspiration from Soviet hullforms. TsAGI was a world-class institution. DDG-51's hullform was inspired by study of Soviet combatant hullforms and USN will apparently be building those ships until the heat death of the universe, so PLAN is in good company here.

TsAGI was a world-class institution, but was dealing with aircraft. Krylov CNII is responsible for Navy hull forms.
And it would be interesting to see a source of DDG-51 hull inspired by Soviet Navy hulls