00X/004 future nuclear CATOBAR carrier thread

Lethe

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TsAGI was a world-class institution, but was dealing with aircraft. Krylov CNII is responsible for Navy hull forms.

Thanks for the correction. I had been under the impression that TsAGI was involved in testing and refining hydrodynamic as well as aerodynamic forms.

And it would be interesting to see a source of DDG-51 hull inspired by Soviet Navy hulls :)

From Norman Friedman's U.S. Destroyers, Revised Edition, page 421, regarding the development of DDG-51:

The new destroyer incorporated a 'seakeeping' hull based on American observations of Soviet practice. Earlier U.S. destroyer hull forms had been intended primarily to achieve high speed in calm water, but after World War II many American officers noted unhappily that foreign ships, both allied and Soviet, seemed to do better in rough weather. The new hull form was inspired by U.S. Navy studies of Soviet warship design. It had a wide transom flared on the sides and a V- (rather than the usual U-) form forward. The ship had a wider waterplane forward, harder bilges, and the point at which the keel began to rise was farther aft than usual. Extensive flare put volume higher rather than lower. This combination moved the center of flotation aft while the center of gravity stayed forward as in more conventional hulls. It was attractive because so many U.S. officers had seen Soviet warships that seemed to be better seakeepers than their own ships. It was widely accepted that the more flared hull would be more survivable, since waterplane area would increase quickly as the ship sank into the water. An incidental virtue not widely noted at the time was that a flared hull would have a reduced radar signature, since its sides would not form corner reflectors where they met the water. The new hull form, which also reflected U.S. ideas current from the early 1960s, was put together by the David Taylor model basin (NSRDC, the Naval Ship Research and Development Center).

Of course this getting a little off-topic and should probably be continued in the US military or other appropriate thread!
 
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Aspide

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Thanks for the correction. I had been under the impression that TsAGI was involved in testing and refining hydrodynamic as well as aerodynamic forms.



From Norman Friedman's U.S. Destroyers, Revised Edition, page 421, regarding the development of DDG-51:



Of course this getting a little off-topic and should probably be continued in the US military or other appropriate thread!
That was true in early days and mainly for flying boats and occasional hydroplanes.

Thanks for the quote, I was under impression that DDG-51 was a revised Spruance with modified bow for better seakeeping. USNI does not mention any Soviet influence in this design change though :)
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tanino

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One could do a lot worse than draw inspiration from Soviet hullforms. TsAGI was a world-class institution. DDG-51's hullform was inspired by study of Soviet combatant hullforms and USN will apparently be building those ships until the heat death of the universe, so PLAN is in good company here.
A dear friend of mine who contributed to the design at Fincantieri always told me that even in Italy (where they know how to design ships and, when they can, build them quite well too :) the TsAgi enjoys the utmost respect and admiration.
 
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