China Flanker Thread II
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The most wonderful time of the year! Unlike Christmas it also has the benefit of occurring several times a year.
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With the recent intercept of the Japanese P-3 by the PRC SU-27 near the ADIZ, and with respect to Sino-Russian exercises, and the controversy concerning it, new info on the ADIZ became availabe.
And it was discssed at some length on this thread.
So, this ADIZ thread is now re-opened and the posts regarding it were moved there.
If you are looking for your post...that is where it is.
Stay on Topic.
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I wrote this under China-Russia thread, that not seeing Su-35 or S400 deals in last Putin visit is a huge blow to these rumors. For me their status as rumors are solidified. I feel future of the possible "bigger" project between China and Russia will be joint efforts like the ones of wide-body airliner and heavy lift helicopter.
I was wondering if anyone could highlight the main physical differences of the two-seaters for newbies like me? I can tell the difference between canards and no canards but most other things look quite similar!
Well, I do not know how much it will help, but here's the best explanation I can give you about the five different aircraft.I was wondering if anyone could highlight the main physical differences of the two-seaters for newbies like me? I can tell the difference between canards and no canards but most other things look quite similar!
The two-seat Su-27UBK is the export version of the SU-27UB two-seat trainer built by the Russians. The Chinese signed three seperate contracts with Russia for SU-27s which included forty-two Su-27SKs, which were the export version of the Su-27S in Russia, and 34 of the Su-27UBK trainers. So there were a total of 76 Su-27s acquired from Russia.
The Chinese produced the Su-27 in a license build mode and named those aircraft the J-11. Around 100 of these aircraft were built, taking on the designations of J-11 and J-11A as the Chinese made some improvements in the sensors and equipment in the aircraft.
Ultimately, China reverse engineered the license built J-11 aircraft and built the entire thing indegenously, using composites, Chinese sensors and Chinese weapons systems...removing the requiremnt to use Russian sensors, systems, and weapons entirely. This became the J-11B.
The J-11BS is the two-seat, trainer version of the J-11B. Like the SU-27UBK is the two-seat trainer version of the SU-SK in Chinese sevice.
The two-seat SU-30MKK is the export version of the Russian SU-30M, which is a super-manueverable strike fighter variant of the SU-27M. The Chinese SU-30MKK is a two-seat, multi-role strike fighter, not a trainer. 134 of these were purchased from Russia starting in the year 2000.
The two-seat J-16 is a new, indegenous, multi-role, longer range version of the J-11BS. It is not meant to be a trainer, but like the SU-30MKK, it is a long range strike fighter conparable to the F-15E Strike Eagle. This puts China in a position to build its own long-range strike fighters and not rely on Russian sensors or weapons...just like they accomplished with the J-11B over the J-11 and SU-27S. The J-16 in essence accomplished the same thing with the SU-30MKK...except newer and with even more advanced Chinese sensors.
The two-seat J-15S is a two-set version of the J-15, which was a Chinese development that used an older Ukrainian Su-33 prototype and the J-11B to develop an indegenous Chinese strike fighter for their aircraft carrier(s). The J-15S is a prototype two-seat version of that aircraft. It is not thought to have gone into production yet. It is thought that it will be a platform that the Chinese will use to develop a more capable attack, and electronic warfare variant of the single-seat J-15 like the two-seat F/A-18F and EA-18G do for the single-seat F/A-18E Super Hornet in US Navy service.
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I was wondering if anyone could highlight the main physical differences of the two-seaters for newbies like me? I can tell the difference between canards and no canards but most other things look quite similar!
It's not so much the outside where you'll see the differences but rather the insides (avionics, sensors, jammers, EW stuff etc) and the materials use. I would imagine the J-15/16 also has a much higher percentages of composites, carbon/metal alloys as well.
You are exactly right.
The J15 and J16 are both based on the J-11B, which was intentionally reverse engineered, redesigned, and then indegenously built by the Chinese with a lot of lighter, stroger compositie material, and all new sensors and avionics over the Russian designs.
Good stuff.
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