J31 program is military version of Huawei, most griping in US minds.

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    Lushunkou is a part of Dalian, it was known as Port Arthur. The Soviet Russians rented Lushunkou until 1950, officially handed them back in 1950. But the Soviet Red Army troops remained there until 1955.
     
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    The detail of history is a little different from what people writes. Quoting from (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/旅顺口区):

    中华人民共和国时期
    1950年2月,中国政府和苏联政府签订《中苏友好同盟互助条约》的同日,签订《关于中国长春铁路、旅顺口及大连的协定》。协议约定在1952年底撤出旅顺口,而随着朝鲜战争爆发,地区局势日趋紧张。当时,中国海军尚无力量守卫旅顺港。1952年9月15日,中苏政府交换《关于延长共同使用中国旅顺口海军基地期限的换文》。1954年,苏联领导人赫鲁晓夫决定将旅顺口交还中国。1955年初开始交接,中国方面,由此设立海军旅顺基地。5月,两国完成交接,月底12万苏军撤离[3]

    1960年前,属旅大市。1960年1月18日,中国国务院撤消旅顺市,设旅顺口区[4]。旅大市改为大连市后,仍属之。当时有三条公路连接大连市。

    Sourced from Wikipedia.
     
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    According that source material, The amount of Soviet Red Army Troop that pulled out from Lushunkou, Dalian at the end of May, 1955 amount to some 120,000 men strong.
     
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    https://translate.google.com/#view=...国务院撤消旅顺市,设旅顺口区[4]。旅大市改为大连市后,仍属之。当时有三条公路连接大连市。
     
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    Sorry, I should have translated to English on my post. Google translate is good enough for this short paragraph, as it was written in very formal Chinese.

    here we go, google translated:

    "People's Republic of China
    In February 1950, the Chinese government and the Soviet government signed the "Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance" on the same day, and signed the "Agreement on China's Changchun Railway, Lushunkou and Dalian." The agreement promised to withdraw from Lushunkou at the end of 1952, and as the Korean War broke out, the situation in the region became increasingly tense. At that time, the Chinese Navy did not have the power to guard Lushun Port. On September 15, 1952, the Chinese and Soviet governments exchanged the "Exchange of Letters on the Extension of the Term of the Joint Use of China's Lushunkou Naval Base." In 1954, Soviet leader Khrushchev decided to return Lushunkou to China. At the beginning of 1955, the handover began. In China, the Navy’s Lushun Base was established. In May, the two countries completed the handover, and at the end of the month, 120,000 Soviet troops withdrew [3].

    Before 1960, it was a big city. On January 18, 1960, the State Council of China withdrew Lushun City and set up Lushunkou District [4]. After the city of Dalian was changed to Dalian, it still belongs to it. At that time, there were three roads connecting Dalian."
     
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    so according to you
    #69 jimmyjames30x30, 45 minutes ago
    the USSR wouldn't have withdrawn troops from Dalian area even in 1955
    #73 jimmyjames30x30, 19 minutes ago
    if China hadn't entered the Korean War?
     
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    I do believe so. You are welcome to be skeptical about it.
     
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    I honestly don't think the Korean War had anything to do with the Soviets' pullout from Lushun. At the time even after the Korean War, China was still heavily dependent on the Soviets. The Soviets sent many experts, advisors, materials to China and they stayed in China until the mid/late 1960's. Before their relationship went sour in the mid/late 1960's, the Soviets helped the Chinese set up factories, facilities of every kind imaginable in China. If the Soviets wanted to stay in Lushun, they had much leverage in their hands to force the Chinese to accept that, Korean War or not.

    Additionally, the Chinese also got help from the Soviets during the Korean War. Mainly, the Soviet air force, as well as land weapon systems, ammo and other supplies. If anything, once the Korean War was done, the Soviets were in a good position to demand for some payment. The pullout from Lushun was an independent event that coincided with the end of the war.
     
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    and I am very confused of the title of this thread. What does the J31 have anything to do with Huawei? The J31 is a domestic plane that has been kept in the back burner by the Chinese govn't. While Huawei has been leading the 5G technology and a symbol of China's technological advancement, the J31 has been a boring program that has gained little interests from anyone. Which aspect of the J31 is considered as revolutionary and world-leading? I can think of none... Does it represent the best of China's fighter plane design? Absolutely not. The most attractive thing about the J31 seems to be that it's cheap.

    Even IF the J31 is as good as the J-20 and the F22, it is a technology 20 years behind the leader of the same technology. How does that compare with Huawei? Keep in mind that Huawei is ahead of everyone else in the world by at least 2-3 years.
     
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    This is not the first time I communicated my beliefs about the causality between the Korean War and the Lushun pull out with other people. You do have a good point, and I have heard feedbacks along the same lines from other people before, which means that you are not alone in your objection to my belief.

    But I still hold to my belief.
     
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