The War in the Ukraine

Anlsvrthng

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I made same effort to identify the ICs in the Kalibr.

Funny thing : D
The AD9218 is a 20 years old IC, if I want to buy it for cheap I need to soruce it from china
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Not expensive, 13 dollar each.300 MHz AD converter, good for small handheld oscilloscopes.
Next one, gigabit controller.
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It is a 20 years old product as well, suprise,there are few supliers outside of China.
Just type back to aliexpress or ebay the 88e1111.

Now, the most funny part, 18 mbit SRAM.

Just for reference, it is 2 mbyte, (+ parity), the typical Pentium class computers contained 512 kbyte of this ram in 1995.

I haven't found the introduction date, but it has to be around 2000.

There was a notice from the manufacturer in 2016 about the transition to 60 nm manufacturing process for these ICs : D
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This monster requiring 130 nm technology, available from 2000.

Just to clarify, the challange to make exact copy of these ICs is to remove the cap with HNO3,make few picture and make copies of them.

Require same time to finetune the machines, but let say it is a side project for few bored engineer. If they have nothing better to do.
Economical reason doesn't exist to do this kind of project.
 

gelgoog

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It is interesting that yesterday two groups of Russian An-124 fleet landed in China to deliver cargo. Three landed at Zhengzhou airport, and officials claim that these planes will transport cross-border e-commerce products and clothing. Link to official announcement. Note that this is most likely partially true, as Iranian-made Coke also reached Russian supermarkets shortly after the Russian transport planes flew to Iran. But I don't understand what cargo needs to be transported by plane when China and Russia are so close geographically.
You will not be carrying Coke with Ruslans. The first aircraft is from Volga-Dnepr airlines. This is a Russian private company which does air freight services. I think it is likely this is some private sector businesses purchasing urgent cargo for whatever reason. Back when the sanctions started I know they were flying consumer electronics back to Russia. Who knows what it is now.

Another group of AN124 transport aircraft from the 224th Military Transport Aviation Unit of the Russian Air Force arrived in Shanghai, with no official report on the number or cargo content. Chinese military commentators claim that they will transport building materials back to Russia.
Now that is more consequential. Beats me though.

What do you all make of this?
Seems like speculation but is kind of reasonable on the face of it. There is BS in there though. Like this section.
"forcing the Russians to ... cannibalise domestic appliances for computer chips and attempt to buy back helicopters, missiles and missile defence systems from its military customers around the developing world"

From what I have seen the ones buying all the surplus crap all over the world right now is the West. Including old fighter aircraft, artillery shells, and missile defense systems. Russia builds the stuff they do not need to buy it.
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Is mig29 a cause for Russian nukes flying? Seems to me Russia will retaliate on the airfield taking off conventionally first. If that triggers article 5 and entire NATO go in then they kinda asked to be nuked.
It is a valid casus belli for striking the airbases those airplanes fly from if they deliver them by air.
 

Anlsvrthng

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you think the sale of these old IC's can be controlled ?

Considering the age and how prevalent they are commercially. Trying to sanction this would be a futile exercise.
There are more funny things from the Iskander : D
Missiles shoot to Ukraine contain the next beauty ICs

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these use 1000-600 nm technology, from the 80s/90s.

The most difficult part to get these ICs this days is the price of gold, becuase they contain a lot, so now the scrap price of each is around 5-10 $/piece : D Many other Russian component on the board is more expensive, there are caps woth 10$ each.


This board is on the level of the Commodore Amigas. Good luck to santcion it.

These days the ICs in this board can be manufactured as a hobby garage project.


Honestly, I think the Russians use in the new missiles Russian/Chinese coponents, and they dump the 20-30 years old samples onto Ukraine.

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gelgoog

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The Kalibr entered service in 1994. I assume the ICs it used were probably Soviet ones and then it was later redesigned to use consumer grade Western chips to make mass production cheaper. The fact this board uses Western tech from 20 years ago is probably a reflection of when that specific control board was designed. Probably early 2000s. Back then Russia had no modern chip factories. Mikron had upgraded their facilities in the late 1990s to 150mm wafers with 0.8um process (i.e. 800nm). Which is about the level of a 486 or early Pentium. Anyway, just look at it, you are buying chips that cost like 10-20 bucks a piece and are widely available from friendly sources. Why make your own? It costs, way, way more to design and make your own chip.

But it is not like it is necessary for Russia to reverse engineer chips like this. Milandr designed and produces their own ADCs and they have designed their own Gbit/s Ethernet controllers.
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Milandr also cloned the TMS320C546 in 2009 (1967VC1T chip).

The thing is, if you are just going to make a couple thousands of these things, it is not cost effective to make your own silicon for them. It is way cheaper to just buy these widely available chips in the open market.
 

plawolf

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Can China stop Russia using nukes if they feel determined to?

Is mig29 a cause for Russian nukes flying? Seems to me Russia will retaliate on the airfield taking off conventionally first. If that triggers article 5 and entire NATO go in then they kinda asked to be nuked.

China cannot stop Russia from using nukes, but China can very easily remove the need for Russia to resort to nukes.

China is not involved in the war in Ukraine in any meaningful way at present, China staying so uninvolved is a massive carrot to use to moderate NATO behaviour. On the flip side, China even hinting that it could become involved in Ukraine would be a titanic deterrence against NATO overreach.

But this whole Russian nuke line has always been a western propagandist invention with no root in reality because Russia throwing nukes around in Europe is all but certain to lead to global nuclear war and MAD for all humanity. So let’s stop wasting time and bandwidth on this please.
 

memfisa

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The most interesting part of the following article:

The offer came after two men were killed when an apparently stray Ukrainian defence projectile fell in Poland near the border with Ukraine on 15 November.

Beautiful wording that highlights how propaganda has reached a perfected level.

A stray defence projectile hits a lonely tractor in the middle of an empty field, totally not a guided missile with some strange unanswered questions surrounding what resulted in the deaths of two innocent civilians inside another country

A stark contrast to the "Russian missile attack in Poland slaughter Polish civilians, article 5!!!" we saw minutes after the incident.


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Tam

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To have diesel electric locomotives would have been great to bring power a bit everywhere, but they use electric ones in Ukraine... That trick have been used before in Canada and probably elsewhere:

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They certainly have some generator providing power but anything that will glow will clearly draw Russian attention.

The burning stuff I mentioned that can be seen from satellite might likely be fuel depots that can contain fuel for diesel locomotives and other uses that may have been struck by missile or drone and left burning large and uncontrollably through the night.
 

pmc

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Can China stop Russia using nukes if they feel determined to?

Is mig29 a cause for Russian nukes flying? Seems to me Russia will retaliate on the airfield taking off conventionally first. If that triggers article 5 and entire NATO go in then they kinda asked to be nuked.

technically those Polish MIGs are short range and smokey engine. they are not suitable for the size of Ukraine. this conflict really separated wheat from the chaff. Ruaf with minimum number of combat patrols relative to Ukraine area has made completely disappeared TB2. and gave second thoughts to other similar drones.

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