Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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On group number 3, there's no need to exaggerate. Just accept that with over 70 years of separation, we have seen the creation of a separate Taiwanese identity.

But if you look to the past, national identities do disappear, change or are assimilated.
It's completely fine to have a Taiwanese identity, just like it's completely fine to have a Shanghainese, Cantonese, Hakka, Tibetan, or Manchu identity.

In fact, celebration and exploration of one's identity is to be encouraged, not suppressed, because China is a united melting pot of many different ethnic groups each with its own cultures and traditions.

But that identity must be firmly rooted in a wider and deeper sense of Chinese national identity.

A patriotic Taiwanese should identify first and foremost as Chinese, then Taiwanese. Chinese Taiwanese, not Taiwanese Chinese.

Likewise, and by the same token, a patriotic Taiwanese is no less Chinese than a mainlander. All are sons and daughters of the one, indivisible China. All are equal members of Zhonghua Minzu 中华民族.
 

Suetham

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So far the response was way better than the childish shit like "shoot down Pelosi" that was suggested there.
Although I was not part of this team from the beginning, I advocated for China to carry out mass exercises, which is happening, but I did not imagine it would get to this point.

However, I know this is having a negative consequence that Pelosi may indeed have changed the status quo, in fact, I disagree, it has already changed to both sides of the strait. Now we have two countries that have already said they would send delegations to Taiwan, England and Lithuania and a third that also has to be taken seriously, although the posture has been cautious, Germany (Taiwan's representative in Germany invited the visit of a delegation of the Bundestag). This set a dangerous precedent.

For those who think AR is achievable, I'm sorry to have to profoundly disagree, this is pure illusion. Recent events only prove this reality, moreover, while China had the KMT as a force to maintain the status quo on the island, Beijing did NOTHING to change this in a discreet way, trusting that the KMT would always remain in power in Taiwan. and time would do the work to have an achievable PR, another illusion. If the CCP is still convinced that AR is achievable, they are just as deluded as those outside China's decision-making, which includes SDF members.

Can AR be achievable if China changes its stance? I'm sure it does, but it would have to dramatically change both its foreign policy and its military thinking. I don't see this happening in the next 5 years. Recent events prove that this may be changing, China kicked the bucket and still hoped that it could maintain a cordial relationship with the US, this is clear that would not be possible, it will not yet be an open confrontation on China's part, but it is getting almost to that point, a point that Russia reached on the 24th of February and inevitably China will have to reach it, whether it's 1 year from now or 20 years from now.

China could take advantage of the recent situation and continue in the same way (exercises staging the invasion of Taiwan) until it convinces itself that peaceful reunification is an illusion or actually escalates to have the same stance as the Russians whenever that occurs, whether it's US or any other country. I prefer to wait until these exercises are over, I just don't know how the Lithuanian delegation will arrive from Sunday in Taiwan since it is partially closed, both air and maritime space and this will extend until the 15th of August, some already say that this could trigger a profound shake-up in the global chip market.
 

Biscuits

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For those who think AR is achievable, I'm sorry to have to profoundly disagree, this is pure illusion. Recent events only prove this reality, moreover, while China had the KMT as a force to maintain the status quo on the island, Beijing did NOTHING to change this in a discreet way, trusting that the KMT would always remain in power in Taiwan. and time would do the work to have an achievable PR, another illusion. If the CCP is still convinced that AR is achievable, they are just as deluded as those outside China's decision-making, which includes SDF members.
I think your analysis is wrong simply because the foundation is wrong.

ROC armed forces is filled with museum pieces used by people who mostly are clueless. The old soldiers who have experience and some skill due to being from the KMT era are also the so called "cowards" simply because they know it's terribly futile to fight and they haven't gone through DPP brainwashing.

So to begin with, assuming all the supposed 170 000 Taiwan armed troops can fight at 100% efficiency is being incredibly, fantastically, unrealistic. But even if you voided all morale concerns, the equipment of rebel forces is so far behind government troops, that even that would not stop armed reunification.

"Recent events only prove this reality" like Tsai's ships not firing on government DDGs when they go within 9km of a land based powerplant? If ROC had such might they could prevent AR, why not exercise that might? China had since some time realized that AR is the only route, therefore for this conflict, it is now only waiting for the right moment to strike.

It doesn't really lend more credibility to your post when you even forgot how the PRC governing party is spelled despite it only being a 3 letter word lol
 

AndrewS

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There is two scenario:
A: Pelosi visit is under Biden’s blessing
Yet he give Xi his assurances that no US official will be there; That's is 言而无信 for him - which shows its reckless and possessed “I can do sth to harm u and me without any return”
B: Worst than A. Biden is some puppy shiting his pants in WH uncontrollable while he can not control his coparty colleague although she flight with an US Airforce assets and Biden is the command in chief. Not only Pelosi is looking for profit under his administration there is also someone else

If A is real then the Lithuanian visit is also scheduled. If China intercept. EU will react given US upper hand to turn the table
If B than is more likely Blinken also want to get into the anti China Hall of fame

The Washington Post article basically said that:

1. Pelosi would publicly blame Biden if he blocked her from visiting Taiwan. That is credible given Pelosi.

2. Biden didn't want to deal with that domestic political fallout, so he preferred that Pelosi visit Taiwan. So it would be Pelosi that gets the blame when Taiwan suffers.

In comparison, Lithuania can't hurt China or the USA. So Lithuania can be blocked (by both the US and China) from visiting Taiwan.
 

obj 705A

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I will give my prediction of armed reunification a 3 week window. I believe the invasion will occur in this week, if it doesn't happen within this week then in the subsequent two weeks IMO the chances of armed reunification would be reduced to 85%. If it doesn't happen within 3 weeks from now then the chances are fifty fifty it would happen this year. And if it doesn't happen this year then the chances are 0% that it would happen this decade.

By the way here is the anti secession law for those who may wonder what it says, the first 7 articles is about peaceful reunification, while 8 and 9 is about armed reunification:

"Article 8 In the event that the "Taiwan independence" secessionist forces should act under any name or by any means to cause the fact of Taiwan's secession from China, or that major incidents entailing Taiwan's secession from China should occur, or that possibilities for a peaceful reunification should be completely exhausted, the state shall employ non-peaceful means and other necessary measures to protect China's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

The State Council and the Central Military Commission shall decide on and execute the non-peaceful means and other necessary measures as provided for in the preceding paragraph and shall promptly report to the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress."

"Article 9 In the event of employing and executing non-peaceful means and other necessary measures as provided for in this Law, the state shall exert its utmost to protect the lives, property and other legitimate rights and interests of Taiwan civilians and foreign nationals in Taiwan, and to minimize losses. At the same time, the state shall protect the rights and interests of the Taiwan compatriots in other parts of China in accordance with law."
 
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