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[Xizor]

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how would it be hard I'm wondering. one 055 can take out Taiwan's entire navy. J-11a/b, J-10c, J-16, J-20 will take care of the taiwanese airforce. without a navy and an airforce we can resupply all we want.

Invasion would indeed be hard but not as hard as Normandy. All depends on Chinese benevolence and concern for tw population safety. China can first destroy the infrastructure and forces of the island and then make the landing.

 

[grulle]

Invasion would indeed be hard but not as hard as Normandy. All depends on Chinese benevolence and concern for tw population safety. China can first destroy the infrastructure and forces of the island and then make the landing.

can you explain why would it be hard? Taiwan has 4 kidd class destroyers going up against 40 aegis destroyers of the PLAN. taiwan has a total of 7 patriot batteries so air defense is nothing. China completely outnumbers and outclasses the Taiwanese military.

 

[siegecrossbow]

can you explain why would it be hard? Taiwan has 4 kidd class destroyers going up against 40 aegis destroyers of the PLAN. taiwan has a total of 7 patriot batteries so air defense is nothing. China completely outnumbers and outclasses the Taiwanese military.

Geographical barrier/terrain. High concentration of SAM platforms. Not to mention possibility of sealing the straits with minelayers.

 

[Overbom]

Geographical barrier/terrain. High concentration of SAM platforms. Not to mention possibility of sealing the straits with minelayers.

What about its subs? I cant imagine sending landing troops without first being sufficiently certain that the area is clear of subs

How much time do you think it would take for this to happen?

 

[siegecrossbow]

What about its subs? I cant imagine sending landing troops without first being sufficiently certain that the area is clear of subs

How much time do you think it would take for this to happen?

Subs will be a concern when Taiwan's domestic efforts bear fruit in the mid/late 2020s. Currently their inventory is very underwhelming.

 

[Xizor]

What about its subs? I cant imagine sending landing troops without first being sufficiently certain that the area is clear of subs

How much time do you think it would take for this to happen?

If anything, all subs should be accounted for and tracked - calling to port/leaving, whole mission etc. China can't do it meaningfully against US and Japanese subs are quite difficult due to being Deisel electrics but Taiwanese Subs should be accounted for as part of its ASW priorities.

Atleast that's what I think ought to be happening.Ofcourse,no evidences to show for it.

 

[weig2000]

Former German naval officer Uwe Parpart gives some brutally honest assessment on the latest revelations about Taiwan’s submarine program.

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Tensions across the flashpoint Taiwan Strait continue to simmer and bubble. There is alarmist talk of aggression, a spiral of escalation, invasion, Thucydides’ Trap, US involvement – and possibly, Armageddon.

Amid these tensions, Taipei has every reason to build up a deterrent force. However, most of the world continues to follow Beijing’s One China policy and refuse arms shipments – a situation that is causing Taipei serious headaches as it seeks to make acquisitions on global arms markets.

This has led to a shadowy program, which appears to have been given much more than a wink and a nod by governments far and wide, to supply expertise and technologies to the island as it attempts to build a flotilla of diesel-electric attack submarines.

How feasible is this project industrially, tactically and strategically? Parpart weighs in.

Is a fleet of eight Taiwanese diesel-electric attack boats likely to cause the People’s Liberation Army’s Navy headaches?

No. For the life of me I can’t figure out anything other than them being sitting ducks in shallow waters. The Taiwan Strait is on average about 50 meters deep and all modern anti-submarine warfare systems will detect those subs not much later than after they fire the first shot and likely well before that.

Or maybe they will deploy on the other side of Taiwan, the Pacific-facing side, to defend against Chinese submarines that would be deployed in order to deny access by larger surface units, resupply units and so on. But there, the capabilities on the Chinese side are overwhelming. It would be a suicide mission. Given their Japanese colonial history, maybe the Taiwanese are in for suicide missions …?

When are Taipei’s vessels likely to become operational?

The first construction activity was in November last year. It will take 3-4 years before they can launch and complete sea tests. Submarines are pretty complex entities. Nothing in the current experience of the Republic of China Navy prepares them for it. And when it comes to support systems – in particular integration with other systems, such as air forces – this is going to take a long time.

Taiwan has plentiful high-tech industrial chops. Surely, non-nuclear submarines are within its capabilities?

Can the Taiwanese build a ship? Yeah, sure. But a submarine has to be a coherent design from the get-go. You have to know what the mission is, then design a boat capable of fulfilling that. You can’t shop around for bits and pieces and try to fit it together the way my children put subs together with Lego blocks.

Critical issues are propulsion, weapons systems and defensive systems. Those have to be integrated. You can’t get one from the US, one from Italy and one from Korea, say. I don’t think it is not doable – but it’s going to take time and be difficult. And it ends up creating another illusion of the potential for a conventional defense of Taiwan.

But many would argue that Taiwanese weapons deter Chinese adventurism. What say you?

If a major conflict breaks out over Taiwan, the only way it is not going to end up with a quick mainland victory is if there is an escalation to nuclear. That has nothing to do with Taiwan, but to do with those who propose to defend Taiwan – primarily the US. Some US allies have talked about it, most recently officials of the new government of Japan, but I have not seen any significant steps from Japan, and do not expect any significant steps. Other allies are not relevant in this context.

So what is your key takeaway?

This kind of program does not add to the defensive capability of Taiwan. It could exacerbate tensions and create a situation in which people think that a conventional defense is possible and take greater risks. China and the US should strive to maintain the status quo.

That should be made explicit between the US and others, and between Taiwan and China. Let us lay down some ground rules, and let time decide what is going to happen in mainland China-Taiwan relations.

 

[drowingfish]

Former German naval officer Uwe Parpart gives some brutally honest assessment on the latest revelations about Taiwan’s submarine program.

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good article. the biggest issue with Taiwan sub project is that it is so expensive to build a sub, and that takes money away from systems that Taiwan really needs, just like F-16V does, I think anyone that pays attention to Taiwan is well aware of that. and since Taiwan has no prior experience in this area, the project will likely delayed, I would question if it will even achieve operability by the time a war breaks out, given the broadly accepted timeline of 2027-2030.

 

[siegecrossbow]

F-16Vs, submarines, and M1 Abrams don't scare the mainland, mandatory firearms training for eight year old, stationing MANPADs in civilian houses, and getting the troops to exercise when it is more than 32 degrees C outside does.

 

[Team Blue]

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Anyone seen the news on their "carrier killer?" I don't see why they would bother building these. The PLA would definitely take out any of these before moving carriers into range.